Applies to the irish guys but possibly to all owners there is a new service been offered will it work or will it not work you tell me ?
vosa park you up
out comes fresh driver to you ,takes your truck to the port put it on the boat you follow him in a car supplied by the fresh driver you continue your journey after your rest on the boat to what ever destination you are going to and it saves you been parked for 24/48 hours
now who will use the service?
is it worth it ?
all views appreciated
vinnyl:
Applies to the irish guys but possibly to all owners there is a new service been offered will it work or will it not work you tell me ?
vosa park you up
out comes fresh driver to you ,takes your truck to the port put it on the boat you follow him in a car supplied by the fresh driver you continue your journey after your rest on the boat to what ever destination you are going to and it saves you been parked for 24/48 hours
now who will use the service?
is it worth it ?
all views appreciated
Do not pass go, go directly to jail, do not collect £200 
A little, light bed time reading for someone me-thinks
Lovely kip 
I suppose it could work if the port is your registered operating centre… 
You could live near the port and you still have the 15hr spread
vinnyl:
Applies to the irish guys but possibly to all owners there is a new service been offered will it work or will it not work you tell me ?
vosa park you up
out comes fresh driver to you ,takes your truck to the port put it on the boat you follow him in a car supplied by the fresh driver you continue your journey after your rest on the boat to what ever destination you are going to and it saves you been parked for 24/48 hours
now who will use the service?
is it worth it ?
all views appreciated
I’m sure thats illegal 
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?
vinnyl:
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?
Driving the car in those circumstances would be other work, not rest.
How ever what if they supplied a driver for the car - so the guy was resting like double manning -?
or would it be easier to double man for the single day to get him to the port - then the other driver could just eject and not board the ferry ?
cheers
Steve
Coffeeholic:
vinnyl:
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?Driving the car in those circumstances would be other work, not rest.
Example; Driver heading for Liverpool docks for ferry gets pulled at ‘Switch Island’ VOSA checkpoint and ‘parked up’ for 24hrs, I turn up in a taxi and take the truck to Seaforth and leave it at the terminal followed by (resting) driver in the taxi I’ve just arrived in. (so no ‘other work’) He takes over his truck and interupts his weekly rest to drive his truck onto the ferry & I head back home (in the same taxi) a couple of hundred quid wealthier and the driver catches his ferry & everyone is (relatively) happy.
As long as I am licenced (which I am) and insured, I can’t see how this could be anything but legal■■?
Ross.
Coffeeholic:
vinnyl:
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?Driving the car in those circumstances would be other work, not rest.
In fact, even being a passenger in a car that was driven by someone else would be other work and not rest as VOSA pointed out to me when I had to explain a discrepancy between my finishing point one Friday and my starting point on the Monday.
I had dropped the truck off at Volvo and my boss’s brother had collected me and taken me back to our yard.
They were friendly enough but explained that I should have made a manual entry on the chart covering my time in the car as it was “other work”(which I knew already).
bigr250:
Coffeeholic:
vinnyl:
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?Driving the car in those circumstances would be other work, not rest.
Example; Driver heading for Liverpool docks for ferry gets pulled at ‘Switch Island’ VOSA checkpoint and ‘parked up’ for 24hrs, I turn up in a taxi and take the truck to Seaforth and leave it at the terminal followed by (resting) driver in the taxi I’ve just arrived in. (so no ‘other work’) He takes over his truck and interupts his weekly rest to drive his truck onto the ferry & I head back home (in the same taxi) a couple of hundred quid wealthier and the driver catches his ferry & everyone is (relatively) happy.
As long as I am licenced (which I am) and insured, I can’t see how this could be anything but legal■■?
Ross.
Whilst you can interrupt a daily rest to board and/or leave a ferry, you may not interrupt a weekly rest.
Coffeeholic:
vinnyl:
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?Driving the car in those circumstances would be other work, not rest.
no, if the car is not owned by the company,or hired by the company it,s not illegal. or classed as other work.
That must be ok,as VOSA in Pompey,would not allow my trailer to leave the port,so i flagged down an owner driver who drove the trailer out the gate,with no challenges or getting stopped for it by VOSA.I then was allowed to leave the port bob tail.(Unit only.)
gm:
How ever what if they supplied a driver for the car - so the guy was resting like double manning -?
You can’t take your rest multi-manning while the vehicle is moving and supplying a driver makes no difference, it still counts as other work.
gm:
or would it be easier to double man for the single day to get him to the port - then the other driver could just eject and not board the ferry ?
If he has been parked up in order to take a rest period he would not be available for double manning. For multi-manning rules you have to be together for all but the first hour of the shift so jumping out and not boarding the ferry would mean multi-manning rules would not apply for the shift.
bigr250:
Example; Driver heading for Liverpool docks for ferry gets pulled at ‘Switch Island’ VOSA checkpoint and ‘parked up’ for 24hrs, I turn up in a taxi and take the truck to Seaforth and leave it at the terminal followed by (resting) driver in the taxi I’ve just arrived in. (so no ‘other work’)
Still counts as other work in that situation, unless he is going to return to ‘Switch Island’ to resume work after his weekly rest period. In that case he is disposing of his time during his weekly rest as he wishes. Resuming elsewhere means he has travelled to or from a place which is not his regular place of work and it is other work.
bigr250:
He takes over his truck and interupts his weekly rest to drive his truck onto the ferry & I head back home (in the same taxi) a couple of hundred quid wealthier and the driver catches his ferry & everyone is (relatively) happy.
Except VOSA because, as has already been said, you cannot interrupt weekly rest.
browncow2:
Coffeeholic:
vinnyl:
i still dont understand why it would it be illegal ?
can someone enlighten me ?Driving the car in those circumstances would be other work, not rest.
no, if the car is not owned by the company,or hired by the company it,s not illegal. or classed as other work.
Who owns the car is irrelevant, even doing that in your own car is classed as other work. If for example you ran out of duty time 1 hour from base and someone brought your car out to you whereupon you drive home, while they take your truck back, that time is classed as other work. It’s nothing to do with the ownership of the car and all to do with start point and destination.
i still say you are wrong. for example if you run out of houres 1 hour from the yard and the company bring your car out, where you change over is 10 minutes fronm your house and you are on 14hrs 55 min spread over. what you ar saying is if you can not get home in 5 min you have to sleep in the car.
browncow2:
i still say you are wrong. for example if you run out of houres 1 hour from the yard and the company bring your car out, where you change over is 10 minutes fronm your house and you are on 14hrs 55 min spread over. what you ar saying is if you can not get home in 5 min you have to sleep in the car.
No, the bottom line is that if you are “out of hours”, then you are “out of hours”. You cannot even be carried as a passenger in a car if you are “out of hours”. Anybody’s car.
What type of people aren’t satisfied with a 15 hour day and would look for an opportunity to work more?
browncow2:
i still say you are wrong. for example if you run out of houres 1 hour from the yard and the company bring your car out, where you change over is 10 minutes fronm your house and you are on 14hrs 55 min spread over. what you ar saying is if you can not get home in 5 min you have to sleep in the car.
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All you can do is park up and sleep in the truck or get a taxi to a hotel, but the truck must stay where it is.
browncow2:
i still say you are wrong.
You can say all you like, it doesn’t make it correct and the courts don’t agree with you. This was put to bed years ago in 2001 with the Skills Coaches case
browncow2:
for example if you run out of houres 1 hour from the yard and the company bring your car out, where you change over is 10 minutes fronm your house and you are on 14hrs 55 min spread over. what you ar saying is if you can not get home in 5 min you have to sleep in the car.
Yep, daft as it may be if you are out of hours then that’s it, how much you are out by is irrelevant. Those 10 minutes driving your car home from that point will be other work and put you on 15 hours and 5 minutes duty time meaning insufficient daily rest.
Coffeeholic:
You can say all you like, it doesn’t make it correct and the courts don’t agree with you. This was put to bed years ago in 2001 with the Skills Coaches case
Ok,picture this.Double manned coach coming up from somewhere in Italy (I forget exactly where) .Feeder driver waiting at Dover,having driven down and had 10hrs.off in a hotel(receipt to prove).Ministry at Dover.Drivers told Ministry man that coach firm had given them money for a hotel,and showed him the envelope with Dover hotel money typewritten on it.They then said that they chose not to take this offer up,and intended to drive home in the car.He let them go,because it was their decision,and not the firm’s orders.The feeder driver corroborated this.Now,this was pre 2001,was the Skills case you refer to about this practice?