^^
snap.
This Christmas run-up has a totally different feel to it than in previous years, which I’m brushed upon in other threads.
I’m kinda halfway outside looking in, having only worked for losecanton who run (or is it ‘used to run’) Snodland Tescos where I used to frequent on agency.
Striking would seem to be very effective at this time of year, and I wish the members every success.
They must NOT fall for the usual old “Jam Tomorrow” flannel though, where the money “is going to materialize at some point after Christmas - honest!” and once Christmas done, it’ll be “There be no work for you out there in the big wide world sonny, so if you don’t mind being sacked in January - be our guest” Meanwhile, everything else “Promised” to the members to get them back to work during this busy period, ends up on the cutting room floor with all the other “broken promises of those wearing the suits”. 
You’ve got them by the balls folks - now don’t be shy to squeeze. It doesn’t mean ‘you’re gay and looking for a date’ or anything. Actually, it wouldn’t matter if you were these days. 
Draw that line in the sand: You don’t go back unless you get paid THIS side of Christmas.
albion:
Apparently wincantons employ 15500 people. Completely at random, if 10,000 people were able to claim £700, then that’s £7,000,000. I don’t know what their profit margin is, but the usual is 2-3%, so I suspect that’s a fair hit.They should have dealt with it though, it’s been brewing for some time and legal advice has been to pay it, if only because it mitigates a firms liability in respect of past claims.
I lost part of a small contract to Wincantons last year and from what I see, apart from a fuel escalator everything is else is buttoned down with pre set increases in rates, there’s no wiggle room, so those prices are based on not paying an average overtime. Once that average comes in, they’ll start losing.
There’s some allegedly clever people going to uni and coming out with a degree in transport management, but I’ve never met one with either common sense or the ability to look beyond the end of their nose.
It doesn’t matter how hard the bottom line will be hit - it’s wrong period to rip-off staff over having to work flat-out at this time of the year.
My missus used to work extensively in retail, and she informs me that “This is an old dodge by firms to get out of paying Bank Holiday Credits” in particular, when Christmas Day and Boxing Day fall upon weekends… As Boxing day did last year and Christmas day does THIS year, perhaps accounting for the fact that it’s seemingly “2 years money” involved.
If your contract is monday-friday, then last year you could have been diddled out of a Boxing Day bank holiday credit, because Saturday is your day off “anyway”.
Ditto this year for Christmas Day of “not working”. It’s an extra day’s holiday as “Bank Holiday Credit”, and NOT “Your normal weekly rest”.
If you’re on a zero hours contract though, - It’s the firm that have got the STAFF by the balls here.
UPDATE: Word is, that this planned action has now been called off.
What’s interesting is “Is that true or not”?
I’m putting a marble on the floor here, and trying to see which way it goes… 
BeakFreak81:
Christmas strike nightmare as Argos drivers announce they will stop working next week | Daily Mail OnlineSome of the comments make for intresting reading.
What do you expect from them, the Daily Mail specialises in pandering to the small minded, I’m alright jack [zb] the rest of you type.
Winseer:
albion:
Apparently wincantons employ 15500 people. Completely at random, if 10,000 people were able to claim £700, then that’s £7,000,000. I don’t know what their profit margin is, but the usual is 2-3%, so I suspect that’s a fair hit.They should have dealt with it though, it’s been brewing for some time and legal advice has been to pay it, if only because it mitigates a firms liability in respect of past claims.
I lost part of a small contract to Wincantons last year and from what I see, apart from a fuel escalator everything is else is buttoned down with pre set increases in rates, there’s no wiggle room, so those prices are based on not paying an average overtime. Once that average comes in, they’ll start losing.
There’s some allegedly clever people going to uni and coming out with a degree in transport management, but I’ve never met one with either common sense or the ability to look beyond the end of their nose.
It doesn’t matter how hard the bottom line will be hit - it’s wrong period to rip-off staff over having to work flat-out at this time of the year.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I was simply pointing out that seven hundred multiplied up is an awful lot. As I said, they should have sorted it before now instead of putting it off and putting it off.
muckles:
BeakFreak81:
Christmas strike nightmare as Argos drivers announce they will stop working next week | Daily Mail OnlineSome of the comments make for intresting reading.
What do you expect from them, the Daily Mail specialises in pandering to the small minded, I’m alright jack [zb] the rest of you type.
Second only to the Daily Sport for the accuracy and integrity of its journalism.But then again who buys the Sport for the stories?
BeakFreak81:
muckles:
BeakFreak81:
Christmas strike nightmare as Argos drivers announce they will stop working next week | Daily Mail OnlineSome of the comments make for intresting reading.
What do you expect from them, the Daily Mail specialises in pandering to the small minded, I’m alright jack [zb] the rest of you type.
Second only to the Daily Sport for the accuracy and integrity of its journalism.But then again who buys the Sport for the stories?
With people who think like the DM commentators it’s no wonder we live in a country with scant regard for decent working conditions. I’m sure the goverment has more than a hand in the Southern rail dispute, as it suit their ends to break the rail unions and Southern has a special deal on its rail contract.
muckles:
BeakFreak81:
muckles:
BeakFreak81:
Christmas strike nightmare as Argos drivers announce they will stop working next week | Daily Mail OnlineSome of the comments make for intresting reading.
What do you expect from them, the Daily Mail specialises in pandering to the small minded, I’m alright jack [zb] the rest of you type.
Second only to the Daily Sport for the accuracy and integrity of its journalism.But then again who buys the Sport for the stories?
With people who think like the DM commentators it’s no wonder we live in a country with scant regard for decent working conditions. I’m sure the goverment has more than a hand in the Southern rail dispute, as it suit their ends to break the rail unions and Southern has a special deal on its rail contract.
correct the whole reason for the creation of the southern franchise was to get DOO operation in asap at any cost the franchise is backed by the DFP and must not fail in its mission at any cost hence the govt and ministers standing back and letting the chaos ensue it is an attempt to break the unions will on DOO and quickly roll it out nationwide to cut cost = more profit for franchise shareholders (largely foriegn based now ) problem is the unions have played them at there owngame and used a work to rule to show the traveling public why guards are needed and now the drivers have moved in to have there twopenath the whole sorry mess gets worse
Get on with Brexit, and create a real shortage of real workers, and see the wages mushroom.
Bullys Bar 
Just heard from my mate that he has today received his Holiday back pay interim payment from the big ‘W’, coincidence probably not.
Apparently it was larger than expected so he plans to ■■■■ it up the wall shortly… 
Surely this kind of conduct by Wincanton, the employer in this case, is unlawful given the recent legal ruling? If so then surely this raises a ‘trust and confidence’ issue. The trade union’s are dragging it out again I suspect.
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Latique:
With people who think like the DM commentators it’s no wonder we live in a country with scant regard for decent working conditions. I’m sure the goverment has more than a hand in the Southern rail dispute, as it suit their ends to break the rail unions and Southern has a special deal on its rail contract.
correct the whole reason for the creation of the southern franchise was to get DOO operation in asap at any cost the franchise is backed by the DFP and must not fail in its mission at any cost hence the govt and ministers standing back and letting the chaos ensue it is an attempt to break the unions will on DOO and quickly roll it out nationwide to cut cost = more profit for franchise shareholders (largely foriegn based now ) problem is the unions have played them at there owngame and used a work to rule to show the traveling public why guards are needed and now the drivers have moved in to have there twopenath the whole sorry mess gets worse
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This got me chuckling:
Xmas stock would have been in the shops or warehouses weeks ago not just Xmas week,what goes in the warehouses now is ready for the new catalogue in January
This got me chuckling:
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At last! A dose of reality in this cynical world!
Honestscott76:
Surely this kind of conduct by Wincanton, the employer in this case, is unlawful given the recent legal ruling? If so then surely this raises a ‘trust and confidence’ issue. The trade union’s are dragging it out again I suspect.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
In short it isn’t legal, it’s been tribunal rulings.
From our solicitors:
backhousejones.co.uk/resources/publications/ )
We can now report that there have been two first instance decisions from the Employment Tribunal of England and Wales in the cases of White & Others v Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council and Brettle & Others v Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council. In White & Others, the case involved tradesmen who worked on Dudley’s social housing. They were given the option of working Saturdays on a purely voluntary basis. They also elected, again on a purely voluntary basis, to go on standby every 4 weeks to deal with emergency call out and repairs.
They were receiving additional payments of £725 per month for the overtime and standby rota’s. The Tribunal held that the on-call rota and voluntary overtime had been in place for such a period, and with such regularity, that it had become part of their normal work and normal pay. The Tribunal held therefore that these payments should be included in the calculation of the first 20 days of annual leave under Regulation 13 of the Working Time Regulations.
In Brettle & Others, the case involved workers carrying out overtime as an extension to their normal working week, it was carried out on a regular basis, but not necessarily every week.
The Tribunal in that case held that regular voluntary overtime can be considered ‘normal’ pay for the purposes of calculating holiday pay for the first 20 days of annual leave under Regulation 13 of the Working Time Regulations. The focus is therefore on the regularity that such payments for voluntary overtime, standby payments, and call out allowances are made. There is still no determination of what is considered ‘regular’ and this is likely to be tested at some stage.
However, in the meantime we would suggest that if a worker is carrying out voluntary overtime on more than 7 occasions in the 12 week reference period, it is very likely that it may be deemed to be regular, if challenged, and therefore you should give serious consideration to including those payments in your calculations of holiday pay.
Although only tribunal decisions, and so non-binding, it is yet further indication of what will constitute “normal remuneration” for the purposes of holiday pay.
It is not yet known if Dudley Council will appeal. If they do, this will at least set a precedent and provide a binding authority of how these payments should be considered.
The unions strike again! Allow the company to dangle a juicy carrot around Christmas time knowing most folk can’t afford to refuse it. Scandalous!
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Its called off
The most powerful people in the country ? Well, its not the government, or the military, it’s the lorry drivers, they have the power to bring the country to its knees within three days, and there is absolutely nothing anyone could do about it…however, why they haven’t used it to better the job, get decent wages, and conditions, fight crap H&S rules, better respect and facilities at delivery points, etc, has always eluded me over the last five decades…all it needs is to stick together, and I guess, that’s where the problem lies, but what a result if they all did…
Fergie47:
The most powerful people in the country ? Well, its not the government, or the military, it’s the lorry drivers, they have the power to bring the country to its knees within three days, and there is absolutely nothing anyone could do about it…however, why they haven’t used it to better the job, get decent wages, and conditions, fight crap H&S rules, better respect and facilities at delivery points, etc, has always eluded me over the last five decades…all it needs is to stick together, and I guess, that’s where the problem lies, but what a result if they all did…
+1
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