Are you gonna bother with driver CPC?

For DCPC to be a proper “recognised” qualification, rather than proof that you’ve bribed DVLA/VOSA for the right to take a higher paid local bod’s job, then it is going to include some written elements that are hard for foreigners to get as I’ve already said.

If it was dead simple for anyone to get by bunging some trainer at the pub, then many of us would be forming an orderly queue at the pub.

If I could get on the Open University for a total outlay of less than a grand, I’d jump at the chance. For a proper degree though, there are a lot of extra costs involved that of course mean that very few people actually complete any DECENT degrees in DECENT subjects that get you the DECENT jobs. It’s which university you choose that has you rubbing shoulders with the entrenched elites that bring the big opportunities. Like being recruited from a History degree course at Cambridge by government departments, investment banks, and even accountancy firms. The key thing is Cambridge which still commands high respect for the opportunities it brings.

The best qualification one can get these days seems to be “I went to the same synagogue as my next prospective employer”. Ie, it’s not what you know, but who you know.
As for the rank and file worker… All these so-called (cut above the rest) “Captains of Industry” are the main villains in the ‘race to the bottom game’ are they not? Supermarkets, Investment Banks, Media Empires - all teaming up against dithering outsiders like Cameron who are just happy to be buffeted about on the real winds of power when he’s supposed to have the top job himself. Just how many jobs for the ordinary worker are these captains of industry creating? Real jobs that is. Well-paid jobs for the regular population that is.

The “lobbying rich” will be giving instructions to government ministers that might as well be “We’ve got a brand new rip-off to fleece some extra dosh from the public. We require YOU at westminster to (1) help get any laws changed as necessary to implement it (2) do NOT regulate it once it’s up and running, then (3) look the other way for the rest of your come-and-go administration, and then back us up when the game is up, and we’ll of course bring up any evidence that you were actually complicit from the very beginning. Remember politician, you look to US for advancement - especially once you lose an election! WE only ask a little help from you whilst you hold the levers of power in exchange… Slavery and Serfdom by the backdoor for those not among our number would be a good place for us to start now wouldn’t it?”

So, for the fourth decade now, we have citizens paying to go to work, the rich not paying enough taxes, school qualifactions deflated to nothing, a pull-the-ladder-up celebrity/elite culture, and no more foreign powers out there to snap up all the “idle hands” that this " leaving of the low-born talent on the shelf" once represented.

The former middle classes are being asked to jump one way or the other. If you support the top brass, and manage to keep hold of your own assets, you’ll probably be elevated to the upper classes. Those who for any reason don’t make the grade, will fall down to our level, their pensions crushed, livelihoods taken away, and extra charges and commissions introduced for just about anything to do with everyday life - just to make sure that the new age riff-raff get to be kept away from the new-age upper crusts.

The flow of money between the two “new issue” classes will take the form of “compensation payments” or “reundancies” or “robbery proceeds” from top to bottom, with “financial transaction charges including interest”, “paying to go to work at every level”, and “higher cost of living prices” moving the money from bottom to top.

The middle has become a battlefield, and there’s already not that many left able to stand that ground with the constant bombardment that is now taking place. Choose your side, jump your side - but you can’t stay in the middle any more! :frowning:

I think the courses are too long - 7 hours sitting in a room is bad enough when your used to being behind a desk - they should be 5 hour sessions.

Problem with bunging a chap down the pub is that when he gets caught - which he will - everyone whom has had their hours put through will loose their hours too - so you will end up with zero hours and not much time to get the training in.

I was looking at doing our training - but i will be honest i know quite a bit, am not overly thick but i could not stand up in front of our drivers - i would just get tongue tied

ROG:
A newly qualified driver who passed the initial dcpc gets a DQC which is valid for 5 years so does that give them more or less of a chance of being employed than a driver of say 5 years who has no hours of periodic dcpc :question:

If you’re going to get a fine of £1000 and probably a black mark on your O’licence, for employing a driver without a DCPC regardless of their experience, then Probably the 21 year old with a DCPC would get the job.

Moving the LGV age down from 21 to 18 is already a step in this direction by the looks of it… :frowning:

Juddian:
Somehow i reckon the reality of the alternative to lorry driving, which might well be 60 hour weeks on security taking home £250, will soon see many hurriedly taking the course.

Maybe just maybe the loss of those who are close to retiring using the opportunity to bugger off might just re-tip the balance of available drivers to vacancies, that would be a good kick start to the long climb back to fair wages for all.

Looks like you now need a ticket for most security jobs and its £220 for 3 years and if you work in more than one sector you need one for each sector. sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/licensing.aspx

Winseer:
Moving the LGV age down from 21 to 18 is already a step in this direction by the looks of it… :frowning:

Are you serious ? i dont think i would be letting a youth loose with 70 grand unit and god knows how much in goods on the back…all that would do is put insurance up even more than ever.were all getting stung on car insurance as it is…i think young drivers should earn there stripes by starting at the 7.5 tonne for a period of time then work there way up.

I don’t know what all the fuss is about, I did mine doing four sessions with QTT & one free one with Volvo when my lorry was new. The four sessions I did with QTT certainly didn’t break the bank and it’s all over and done with for the foreseeable future.

I was in a group talking about it the other day where one reckoned he wasn’t going to bother doing it. Someone else there reckoned he mightn’t get his HGV renewed unless he had a DCPC. Whether or not this is right I don’t know but no doubt a few who don’t bother will find out.

BB

shytalk:

Winseer:
Moving the LGV age down from 21 to 18 is already a step in this direction by the looks of it… :frowning:

Are you serious ? i dont think i would be letting a youth loose with 70 grand unit and god knows how much in goods on the back…all that would do is put insurance up even more than ever.were all getting stung on car insurance as it is…i think young drivers should earn there stripes by starting at the 7.5 tonne for a period of time then work there way up.

these kids would be stopping to get their puff, driving in trainers, not able to see through their hoody and too busy on chavbook and jeremy kyle to drive

Different breed today , if 18 yr olds get a 44 tonne to drive god help us all…

shytalk:
Different breed today , if 18 yr olds get a 44 tonne to drive god help us all…

too right, instead of ham egg and chips they would order coke, redbull and vodka, god help our cafes

Judging by some of the posts on this subject, looks like the industry is going to loose alot of experienced drivers come deadline day. Drivers who have learned everything and gained their experience from doing the job hands on.

Looks like we will be left with a load of drivers who will have learned things from their DCPC course classroom. This will make us a better and more professional industry how exactly■■?

I’ve said before that the DCPC is a good idea, but not in its current form. Needs a total overhaul to make it work and have the desired effect.

That said, I’ll probably do mine just to be compliant.

damoq:
Judging by some of the posts on this subject, looks like the industry is going to loose alot of experienced drivers come deadline day. Drivers who have learned everything and gained their experience from doing the job hands on.

Looks like we will be left with a load of drivers who will have learned things from their DCPC course classroom. This will make us a better and more professional industry how exactly■■?

I’ve said before that the DCPC is a good idea, but not in its current form. Needs a total overhaul to make it work and have the desired effect.

That said, I’ll probably do mine just to be compliant.

good post mate :wink:

damoq:
Needs a total overhaul to make it work and have the desired effect.

So what overhaul does it need then? What needs changing?

shep532:

damoq:
Needs a total overhaul to make it work and have the desired effect.

So what overhaul does it need then? What needs changing?

pass / fail exam

shep532:

damoq:
Needs a total overhaul to make it work and have the desired effect.

So what overhaul does it need then? What needs changing?

Needs to be more on the job training. Less of the classroom and more practical type assessments. What good is the current form if you can sit the same thing 5 times and still qualify? What does that teach you exactly? Needs a pass/fail system as someone has said IMO.

I was a roll-on-off driver with our council and was sent on a course to learn to operate both roll-on and chainlift skip loaders I had been on the the job for six years at this point,It was held on a Saturday and there were about ten of us from the Dumfries area the majority being experienced skip men,You can imagine my amazement when one of the three so called instructors turns out to have been a post man up untill a few weeks before this I never found out the previous of the other two but they had got together and formed a training company!!!.Needless to say it was a wasted Saturday. So have things changed will them as is telling you how it should be done know one end of a truck from the other methinks not. Eddie.

damoq:

shep532:

damoq:
Needs a total overhaul to make it work and have the desired effect.

So what overhaul does it need then? What needs changing?

Needs to be more on the job training. Less of the classroom and more practical type assessments. What good is the current form if you can sit the same thing 5 times and still qualify? What does that teach you exactly? Needs a pass/fail system as someone has said IMO.

The main problem with on the job training or practical training is cost. Take HIAB training. A 1 day refresher for 3 men is about £350 - that’s twice the price per person of most classroom based DCPC sessions and that price only applies if you supply the vehicle, premises etc. Anything that involves a vehicle increases cost. it also means smaller numbers per course which again increases cost. I can arrange full in-cab one to one training - but you won’t get that for £50. I haven’t managed to sell any of that kind of training simply because classroom training is about 1/4 of the price per person.

A pass or fail exam means nothing. take ADR as an example. I hear so many stories of cheating. Answers being given, trainer walking around the room and ‘suggesting’ a change of answer etc etc. i know this didn’t happen when I did my ADR (Thanks Diesel Dave) but i have met more that say it did happen than say it didn’t.

The other issue with a pass fail exam is that some people haven’t been in an exam type situation for a long time. the pressure of such an exam would be huge. I usually give a test during DCPC sessions and some people do really badly - yet if I ask them direct questions they do know the answers - it’s just the way a ‘test’ affects their way of thinking. Imagine the pressue if the result of that test decides whether you have a job or not.

As for sitting the same course 5 times - why would anyone do that? I wouldn’t pay my money to go on the same course 5 times and what company would do send their drivers on the same course 5 times? I understand the reasoning for courses being able to be repeated and sometime they do need to be - but I suppose the authorities expected people to have some common sense and not repeat if it wasn’t required.

I will freely admit some aspects of DCPC need sorting. Some trainers are not up to the job or are delivering training they know little about - but JAUPT are supposedly on with sorting this.

Ultimately everyone can make their choice - do it or don’t. Some on here would have you believe driving is the worst job in the world - so why are they still doing it? I used to be a soldier until the job turned ■■■■ - then I packed it in. So if driving is THAT bad or having to sit in a classroom and perhaps learn something once a year is the end of the world then it’s time for a career change.

Winseer:
For DCPC to be a proper “recognised” qualification, rather than proof that you’ve bribed DVLA/VOSA for the right to take a higher paid local bod’s job, then it is going to include some written elements that are hard for foreigners to get as I’ve already said.

If it was dead simple for anyone to get by bunging some trainer at the pub, then many of us would be forming an orderly queue at the pub.

If I could get on the Open University for a total outlay of less than a grand, I’d jump at the chance. For a proper degree though, there are a lot of extra costs involved that of course mean that very few people actually complete any DECENT degrees in DECENT subjects that get you the DECENT jobs. It’s which university you choose that has you rubbing shoulders with the entrenched elites that bring the big opportunities. Like being recruited from a History degree course at Cambridge by government departments, investment banks, and even accountancy firms. The key thing is Cambridge which still commands high respect for the opportunities it brings.

The best qualification one can get these days seems to be “I went to the same synagogue as my next prospective employer”. Ie, it’s not what you know, but who you know.
As for the rank and file worker… All these so-called (cut above the rest) “Captains of Industry” are the main villains in the ‘race to the bottom game’ are they not? Supermarkets, Investment Banks, Media Empires - all teaming up against dithering outsiders like Cameron who are just happy to be buffeted about on the real winds of power when he’s supposed to have the top job himself. Just how many jobs for the ordinary worker are these captains of industry creating? Real jobs that is. Well-paid jobs for the regular population that is.

The “lobbying rich” will be giving instructions to government ministers that might as well be “We’ve got a brand new rip-off to fleece some extra dosh from the public. We require YOU at westminster to (1) help get any laws changed as necessary to implement it (2) do NOT regulate it once it’s up and running, then (3) look the other way for the rest of your come-and-go administration, and then back us up when the game is up, and we’ll of course bring up any evidence that you were actually complicit from the very beginning. Remember politician, you look to US for advancement - especially once you lose an election! WE only ask a little help from you whilst you hold the levers of power in exchange… Slavery and Serfdom by the backdoor for those not among our number would be a good place for us to start now wouldn’t it?”

So, for the fourth decade now, we have citizens paying to go to work, the rich not paying enough taxes, school qualifactions deflated to nothing, a pull-the-ladder-up celebrity/elite culture, and no more foreign powers out there to snap up all the “idle hands” that this " leaving of the low-born talent on the shelf" once represented.

The former middle classes are being asked to jump one way or the other. If you support the top brass, and manage to keep hold of your own assets, you’ll probably be elevated to the upper classes. Those who for any reason don’t make the grade, will fall down to our level, their pensions crushed, livelihoods taken away, and extra charges and commissions introduced for just about anything to do with everyday life - just to make sure that the new age riff-raff get to be kept away from the new-age upper crusts.

The flow of money between the two “new issue” classes will take the form of “compensation payments” or “reundancies” or “robbery proceeds” from top to bottom, with “financial transaction charges including interest”, “paying to go to work at every level”, and “higher cost of living prices” moving the money from bottom to top.

The middle has become a battlefield, and there’s already not that many left able to stand that ground with the constant bombardment that is now taking place. Choose your side, jump your side - but you can’t stay in the middle any more! :frowning:

That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Realist Party,thank you for reading! :smiley:

shep532:
A pass or fail exam means nothing. take ADR as an example. I hear so many stories of cheating. Answers being given, trainer walking around the room and ‘suggesting’ a change of answer etc etc. i know this didn’t happen when I did my ADR (Thanks Diesel Dave) but i have met more that say it did happen than say it didn’t.

yes but that’s down to the governing body, no one told, or hinted to me any answers when sitting GCSE’s, A levels or engineering exams. the same when i took car, motorbike, class 2, class 1 driving tests and the 3 theory tests that went along with them.

the telehandler course wasn’t quite so strict, neither was the sprayer course

but that argument isn’t a reason that testing wouldn’t work

shep532:
The other issue with a pass fail exam is that some people haven’t been in an exam type situation for a long time. the pressure of such an exam would be huge. I usually give a test during DCPC sessions and some people do really badly - yet if I ask them direct questions they do know the answers - it’s just the way a ‘test’ affects their way of thinking. Imagine the pressue if the result of that test decides whether you have a job or not.

we’ve already had a plumber on earlier that said he was tested and had to get 100% i’m sure there are plenty of other jobs that failing a test means you can’t work, so long as you don’t leave it to the last minute you can always get in for a retest.

shep532:
As for sitting the same course 5 times - why would anyone do that? I wouldn’t pay my money to go on the same course 5 times and what company would do send their drivers on the same course 5 times? I understand the reasoning for courses being able to be repeated and sometime they do need to be - but I suppose the authorities expected people to have some common sense and not repeat if it wasn’t required.
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i would. if i was paying for it myself i’d just want it done in the cheapest way, if i could get a mix of courses for the same money then obviously i’d go for the mix, but otherwise 5 of your cheapest please! and i’m in general, in favour of training!!