Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum. 
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.
It’s not a difficult concept rob TRUCK related in truck forum non TRUCK related in BULLY’s, would you like me to draw you pictures?
Reef:
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.It’s not a difficult concept rob TRUCK related in truck forum non TRUCK related in BULLY’s, would you like me to draw you pictures?
It was just to illustrate a point bud.
Depending on how good an artist you are you can draw me a push pull steering pic if you like, but I’ll decline on one of you scratching your arse 
…but thanks anyway. 
Reef:
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.It’s not a difficult concept rob TRUCK related in truck forum non TRUCK related in BULLY’s, would you like me to draw you pictures?
A tad over the top/aggressive Reef? 
I am quite confident that at this rate you will not have any decent contributors left on this forum.
No need whatsoever in my view for the ’ drawing pictures ’ comment. How can you expect posters to act in a certain manner, when admin/mods do not?
eagerbeaver:
Reef:
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.It’s not a difficult concept rob TRUCK related in truck forum non TRUCK related in BULLY’s, would you like me to draw you pictures?
A tad over the top/aggressive Reef?
No need whatsoever in my view for the ’ drawing pictures ’ comment. How can you expect posters to act in a certain manner, when admin/mods do not?
Welcome back.
I think I tend to push first more often than I pull first - because I more often than not have my hands in the lower half of the steering wheel.
I think the reason why pulling first (and thus 10-2 positioning of the hands, rather than 8-4) is considered correct is because you can exert far more force on the wheel in that setup, but nowadays with power steering it’s really a matter of taste (and having the hands low on the wheel by default is far more comfortable).
eagerbeaver:
How can you expect posters to act in a certain manner, when admin/mods do not?
+1
The new forum way from the mods appears to be “do as I say, not as I do”
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.
Indeed. The main value of a mod is to keep things civil, to keep the peace. Once you start trying to maintain the purity of general discussion or make unilateral judgements on quality (beyond deleting blatant spam), it creates work and creates unnecessary antagonism and distrust, without really providing any value for the readers.
I use my knees as my hands are too busy murdering a prostitute.
Rjan:
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.Indeed. The main value of a mod is to keep things civil, to keep the peace. Once you start trying to maintain the purity of general discussion or make unilateral judgements on quality (beyond deleting blatant spam), it creates work and creates unnecessary antagonism and distrust, without really providing any value for the readers.
A bit slow due to the morning after feeling, so I can’t decide if your post is you sticking up for the mods, patronising me…or both there Rjan mate.
Carryfast:
ROG:
Puller with left hand but feed through right hand as it is easier to do as well as being the SAFEST method+1
Having said that decent light steering allows a lot of flexibility regarding different types of methods to suit different situations and preferences.To the point where I’ve usually palmed the wheel through tight turns around mini roundabouts for example.Or just one hand can sometimes also cover turns of the wheel between the 9 o clock and 3 o clock positions.Whereas something without power steering would often by necessity need the push and pull method.IE pull down with the right hand bringing the left down to meet it at the 6 o clock position then push up with the left hand bringing the right up to meet it meet it at the 12 o clock position so on so forth in old school bus driver style and which the Advanced Driver lot still seem to want used regardless of vehicle type or situation.
Points well made, CF. The push-pull/don’t cross hands is the best and safest way to drive without power-steering. I still use that method today but that’s my choice. Apparently the police have now abandoned this method with modern vehicles.
It may seem a banal subject to one or two old campaigners on here, but this thread is nonetheless relevant to newer drivers and is therefore in keeping with a forum for UK Professional Drivers .
Robert
ROG:
Puller with left hand but feed through right hand as it is easier to do as well as being the SAFEST method
Same here - also starting with a pull is much smoother and better controlled.
robroy:
Rjan:
robroy:
Love the way the mods have demoted my ‘‘Which Hand’’ thread to Bullys, (which was instigated by this cack) and leave this and the hi viz one on the main forum.Indeed. The main value of a mod is to keep things civil, to keep the peace. Once you start trying to maintain the purity of general discussion or make unilateral judgements on quality (beyond deleting blatant spam), it creates work and creates unnecessary antagonism and distrust, without really providing any value for the readers.
A bit slow due to the morning after feeling, so I can’t decide if your post is you sticking up for the mods, patronising me…or both there Rjan mate.
Haha no I wasn’t intending either! I was expressing support, and trying to say if they just stick to keeping the peace, and let posters decide for themselves where threads go without shuffling things around, it will probably be a lot better for everyone overall (and save them the workload and dealing with resulting complaints)!
(Unless I’ve misread the point you were making, which I took to be an objection to the mods shifting things around between boards or “demoting”).
ERF-NGC-European:
Carryfast:
Having said that decent light steering allows a lot of flexibility regarding different types of methods to suit different situations and preferences.To the point where I’ve usually palmed the wheel through tight turns around mini roundabouts for example.Or just one hand can sometimes also cover turns of the wheel between the 9 o clock and 3 o clock positions.Whereas something without power steering would often by necessity need the push and pull method.IE pull down with the right hand bringing the left down to meet it at the 6 o clock position then push up with the left hand bringing the right up to meet it meet it at the 12 o clock position so on so forth in old school bus driver style and which the Advanced Driver lot still seem to want used regardless of vehicle type or situation.Points well made, CF. The push-pull/don’t cross hands is the best and safest way to drive without power-steering. I still use that method today but that’s my choice. Apparently the police have now abandoned this method with modern vehicles.
Interesting to read that Police methods seem to be moving towards a more updated flexible approach Robert.The old push pull method was one which I instinctively didn’t really get on with.To the point of couldn’t wait to get my driver instruction and driving tests over with. 
Especially in the case of more vertically set wheels like R/S type Bedford and even more so TJ and Leyland WF.Usually using the instinctive typical cross hands between 9 oclock and 3 o clock type method with those types,as generally with a car,regardless of their non power steering.Also generally finding that a throw of the arm and grabbing the wheel was more effective at slow speeds in getting and keeping the wheel moving with those than trying to heave the wheel upwards vertically with the left of right hand and arm.
Pat Hasler:
Really ? … Are we that bored we now have a poll to find out such trivial crap FFS
BIG +1
Both!
As when you drive a MAN with a dustbin lid sized steering wheel, you run out of arm stretch when pushing, or room down and round to pull! 
Thinking of starting a new thread … which hand do you use for picking yer snout and do you have any preference of finger !!
I’m usually white knuckling it, going far to fast into the corner and steering using the accelerator and brake and limited steering input.
On the odd occasion I do get it right I’m slightly biased a pull then pushing to maintain a smooth corner, straight lining it on the exit if safe to do so.
Obviously I’m also masterbating. [may have my threads confused now].
Quite a fan of the reach round method though and I concur about the whole crossing hands and how feeding the wheel is outdated, even if safer.
Even back in the 80’s like 99% of learner drivers I couldn’t wait to be able to cross hands once I passed. Still see some old duffers today driving without crossing hands, most noticeable by the senior hand shuffle action on the wheel trying to turn out from a junction, I can almost here their arthritic joints screaming for mercy.