Beetlejuice:
No they are saying unskilled as in no skills at all !
We now have migrants claiming to be unskilled hopeing to get free training .And they get it above uk citizens.
Lorry drivers have many skills.They are talking about fruit pickers etc etc .
It will not stop drivers !And why should it?We go into Europe etc …
so lorry drivers will be able to come and work here for 5 years
and fruit pickers for 2 years
so on the whole not much difference to the numbers, will be good business for immigration agents and lawyers
But the flaw in that is that the fruit pickers are seasonal not annual employment, they come here for anything between 4 - 6 months, get paid a low income which is topped up by tax credits ( allowed because they are eu citizens ) and they get on site accommodation. They pay no tax or NI and are allowed free healthcare via the NHS.
They stay here for 6 months then go home and work the fields there or anywhere in Europe, then harvest time on the British fruit farms and they return
How anyone can get tax credit if he work just 6 month.
chrisdalott:
from the new immigration proposals leak
Instead, the 82-page blueprint sets out how a “numerical cap” would be imposed on the number of visas issued to lower-skilled EU workers, who would be allowed to stay for a maximum of two years.
To be imposed after a transitional period of at least two years, the new visa rules would allow people in “high-skilled occupations” to work for three to five years.
so are HGV drivers going to be in the low skilled or high skilled bracket? it will make quite a difference to the number of flipflops ‘stealing’ your jobs for peanuts
At a guess, the low skilled workers are the warehouse workers and fruit pickers. The skilled workers are your builder, plumbers and mechanics. Professional workers are the doctors and lawyers.
Where does lorry driving fit in? I think it’s somewhere between skilled and unskilled. Maybe they’ll be allowed to stay for three and a half years.
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On a side note, the reason I no longer teach is because I earn more money for shorter hours (and less hassle) driving a lorry. Anyone seeing a pattern here?
Beetlejuice:
No they are saying unskilled as in no skills at all !
We now have migrants claiming to be unskilled hopeing to get free training .And they get it above uk citizens.
Lorry drivers have many skills.They are talking about fruit pickers etc etc .
It will not stop drivers !And why should it?We go into Europe etc …
so lorry drivers will be able to come and work here for 5 years
and fruit pickers for 2 years
so on the whole not much difference to the numbers, will be good business for immigration agents and lawyers
But the flaw in that is that the fruit pickers are seasonal not annual employment, they come here for anything between 4 - 6 months, get paid a low income which is topped up by tax credits ( allowed because they are eu citizens ) and they get on site accommodation. They pay no tax or NI and are allowed free healthcare via the NHS.
They stay here for 6 months then go home and work the fields there or anywhere in Europe, then harvest time on the British fruit farms and they return
How anyone can get tax credit if he work just 6 month.
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seasonal workers ,seasnal contract.
in sweden if your a seasonal worker,you get roughly 80% of your wages back weekly in the winter so long as your contract is renewed for the next season.so clear 500 a week in the summer,and get 400 a week sitting on your hole doing nothing all winter,plus you dont need to be staying in sweden all winter.
Although we all see ourselves as highly skilled it is not the case. From my knowledge I think British HGV drivers are more skilled than anywhere else in the world but the licence is not recognized in other countries outside the EU. I had to take my test all over again when I moved here, not that it is in any way difficult, in fact any idiot could pass a test here, this is why I say if you passed the test in the UK you are much more skilled, sadly according to US rules you have no skill.
Pat Hasler:
Although we all see ourselves as highly skilled it is not the case. From my knowledge I think British HGV drivers are more skilled than anywhere else in the world but the licence is not recognized in other countries outside the EU. I had to take my test all over again when I moved here, not that it is in any way difficult, in fact any idiot could pass a test here, this is why I say if you passed the test in the UK you are much more skilled, sadly according to US rules you have no skill.
How are truckers in America viewed by the American public?
Pat Hasler:
Although we all see ourselves as highly skilled it is not the case. From my knowledge I think British HGV drivers are more skilled than anywhere else in the world but the licence is not recognized in other countries outside the EU. I had to take my test all over again when I moved here, not that it is in any way difficult, in fact any idiot could pass a test here, this is why I say if you passed the test in the UK you are much more skilled, sadly according to US rules you have no skill.
Ironically US drivers have some of the best protection against the labour market being rigged by foreign low wage expectation labour anywhere in the world.
As for a Brit having just passed their test on an auto or at best 4 over 4 synchro 12 tonner caravan type outfit being chucked the keys for a conventional and a 53 ft trailer artic with an 18 speed Fuller.That obviously depends on the definition of ‘skill’.
Its not overseas drivers we have to worry about, its the computer in the cab that will do the driving that will take the most driver jobs.
Within 5 years I would imagine most trunking will be done by autonomous trucks driving to about 6 super hubs around the country, leaving real drivers to deliver and collect locally.
I no longer have a skill the country of my birth requires, does that mean I can be deported only to be replaced by a semi skilled foreign national who will have a better future here at my expense
As the saying goes Drivers are their own worst enemy so improve your position by refusing to take crap from everyone you deliver/collect to…improve your status by not working for crap money…those who pay the least money will find it difficult to find good drivers, a good boss is worth his weight in gold as they say, and we will help him in what way we can.
I class myself as skilled, my boss backs my decisions, and we wont take rudeness from anyone, we expect to be treated the way we treat others…manners cost nothing. He has pulled me out of companies who dont respect what we are doing for them, or them for us…we have the right equipment, and carry the goods as if they are our own, so we deserve respect at least…if you want to scream and shout cos we`re late, which does happen now and again…then we wont load…it hasnt happened many times though, because like other hauliers we try our best to please them. Drivers can improve their lives if they choose to, and we need to show companies we wont put up with their nonsense, or rude staff. Btw, my boss pays me what i need, and i respect him for that and give what i can give at all times.
thehairyarsedtrucker:
Its not overseas drivers we have to worry about, its the computer in the cab that will do the driving that will take the most driver jobs.
Within 5 years I would imagine most trunking will be done by autonomous trucks driving to about 6 super hubs around the country, leaving real drivers to deliver and collect locally.
dream on
to the OP lorry driving is without a doubt low skilled and should be included, whether it will or not is another matter
Jingle Jon:
If you reduced the number of posts you make to ‘on subject’ you’d reduce the amount of spam & trolling on this site by unimaginable proportions…
At least it was text and not a pointless picture That’ll be next
just for you jj obviously nd is doing something more important just now that to reply you your posts…says it all for me whan i read your usual contributions.
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thehairyarsedtrucker:
Its not overseas drivers we have to worry about, its the computer in the cab that will do the driving that will take the most driver jobs.
Within 5 years I would imagine most trunking will be done by autonomous trucks driving to about 6 super hubs around the country, leaving real drivers to deliver and collect locally.
They have had this idea before…the romans used fosse ways, in the Victorian era they used canals, then they used the rail network, then motorways… This country is way, way, way too small for any clever, computer operated trucks…
Flying drones capable of carrying freight…maybe …but that’s perhaps 20 or 30 years away…I suspect.
I don’t think lorry driving is highly skilled. That term makes me think of doctors, people with a degree.
But I don’t think this is unskilled work either. Maybe medium skilled?
I recently passed my theory tests. I had to onboard a fair amount of knowledge to pass. I’ll soon be learning to actually drive and again have to take on enough information to pass the test. That’s gaining a skill. And it’s not one everyone can do. If it was then test centre pass rates would be 100%.
Then once driving for a living I will continue to refine this skill. As I become more efficient, more knowledgeable of routes, securing different loads etc etc.
So I don’t know how anyone can say this isn’t a skilled job. It just needs to be accuratly defined as somewhere below highly skilled.
I think the question was about ‘low skilled’… etc.
The thing about HGV driving is that it’s immensely diverse.
Some work requires extra qualifications - if not training.
The one thing we should all be recognised as at least… is qualified.
I’m not aware of the stats, but I do wonder how many people fail the test or what percentage actually pass.
So IMO, it should be recognised as both skilled and critical. Almost everything we use spends some time on a truck - either as a whole or in part… very few services can make that claim.
Spend an hour watching at a motorway services lorry park, or at a busy delivery point that is both tight and awkward, there you will find both the skilled and unskilled proving which they are.
There is no skill at all required in selecting D pressing the loud pedal and steering along a motorway on the limiter, any fool can do that.
Too many of us welcomed the deskilling of and the making too easy of our jobs, hence why in so much of our industry we are are easily replaced at a moments notice by any passing hivis with a valid or convincing licence who can follow instructions from the idiot nav.
The bad news is that driving is classed as unskilled work, A skill is measured by qualification and period it takes to acquire that skill, we would be only known as good or bad drivers, as the skill in which it takes to acquire the initial licence is short, the time spent on the road and learning the job has no measurable time limit or qualification at the end of it. I am a skilled worker, a professional but my driving has no label attached to it. I believe it should be skilled after a qualifying period, but how could you put a time frame on this? A set exam and another driving test to achieve a skilled status perhaps?
Pat Hasler:
Although we all see ourselves as highly skilled it is not the case. From my knowledge I think British HGV drivers are more skilled than anywhere else in the world but the licence is not recognized in other countries outside the EU. I had to take my test all over again when I moved here, not that it is in any way difficult, in fact any idiot could pass a test here, this is why I say if you passed the test in the UK you are much more skilled, sadly according to US rules you have no skill.
Incorrect.
UK licence is valid in New Zealand. Needs swapping over and a theory test completed.
At least it was text and not a pointless picture 
