Are fireworks ADR

AndrewG:
The last load i took was 34,000 litres of the stuff so it looks like i may be a tad over on the allowed limit!
Many of these old barrels are leaking to the extent its coming through the trailer floor and we cant backload until theyre washed out its been that bad on occasions. Ill certainly be pointing this out to the co. i do work for and show them the info youve kindly given me.

Many thanks- Andy.

Hi Andy,

I didn’t realise the size of the problem. :open_mouth:

From your description of the job, all I can say is that there’s something seriously amiss.

Every company who sends out that volume of dangerous goods has to have a qualified DGSA, and so does every carrier, so that includes O/Ds.

I’ve no idea what DGSA is in Spanish, so I can’t help with a translation, but I can say that the requirement is in the current (2015) version of ADR, so it can be found in the ADR books (written in any language) at subsection 1.8.3.1

If your man looks at ADR 4.1.1.1, he’ll see that the drums should not be a sticky mess.

The beauty of the ADR system is that it all ultimately comes from the UN via the UNECE, and the fact that the players all speak different languages makes absolutely no difference, so there’s no hiding place for anybody.

Spain IS a member of ADR, so they’ve agreed to it whether your consignor like the idea or not.

Here’s the part that should get the sender’s attention…

ADR 1.4.2.1.1 The consignor of dangerous goods is required to hand over for carriage only consignments which
conform to the requirements of ADR…

Ascertain that the dangerous goods are classified and authorized for carriage in accordance with ADR; …

Furnish the carrier with information and data in a traceable form and, if necessary, the required transport documents and accompanying documents

As far as I can tell from your post, even the classification isn’t being carried out correctly, but let’s not forget one thing…

The Spanish (and French) police have copies of ADR written in their languages, so I’d say it’s only a question of time until there’s a rather expensive problem for all concerned because there seems to be quite a lot going on that might not quite “conform to the requirements of ADR.”

Now for the vehicle owner’s (the carrier) part…

ADR 1.4.2.2.1 … where appropriate, the carrier shall in particular:

(a) Ascertain that the dangerous goods to be carried are authorized for carriage in accordance with ADR;

(b) Ascertain that all information prescribed in ADR related to the dangerous goods to be carried has been provided by the consignor before carriage, that the prescribed documentation is on board the transport unit or if electronic data processing (EDP) or if electronic data interchange (EDI) techniques are used instead of paper documentation, that data is available during transport in a manner at least equivalent to that of paper documentation;

I’m hoping that if you can get the consignor to have a word with their DGSA, then they might start doing things differently.

Thanks for all that Dave. Im back at the yard in Malaga tuesday and will certainly point them towards the relevant regs. Last week there was yet another tilt being loaded with orange oil where we pick the stuff up from and i could visibly see it all over the trailer wheel arches and rear spray flap. Theres no care involved with the fork lift grab driver slinging already damaged barrels about, stand in one spot too long and your feet get glued to the floor! Ill now refuse to pull the stuff as as you say there is obviously something seriously amiss here.
Again many thanks for the info, its helped me avoid some potentially serious problems…

Andy :wink:

An update Dave. The place i sub for are agents for various transport/hauliers from Hungary/ Greece/Spain and Portugal and have a central depot where trailers are dropped/picked up from so theyre big enough to know the rules and regs as they have been doing the same for a good few years. I pointed out the various ADR regs in your last post and lo and behold no more orange oil is to be carried! It was only on their own old trailers some of which are old VanHool Norfolk line tilts that we carried the stuff and im sure it doesnt take much to imagine how old and battered some of these are now, they knew how messy and corrosive the stuff was ! Just a gamble on their part until things went t1ts up me thinks…
Appreciate all your help :smiley:

AndrewG:
An update Dave. The place i sub for are agents for various transport/hauliers from Hungary/ Greece/Spain and Portugal and have a central depot where trailers are dropped/picked up from so theyre big enough to know the rules and regs as they have been doing the same for a good few years. I pointed out the various ADR regs in your last post and lo and behold no more orange oil is to be carried! It was only on their own old trailers some of which are old VanHool Norfolk line tilts that we carried the stuff and im sure it doesnt take much to imagine how old and battered some of these are now, they knew how messy and corrosive the stuff was ! Just a gamble on their part until things went t1ts up me thinks…
Appreciate all your help :smiley:

A very fair point about Norfolk Line tilts!! :smiley: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I’ll just add that Hungary, Greece and Spain are all members of ADR, so none of them can have any excuses.

That’s the beauty of it… the ADR Regs are very precisely translated, so all any person needs is the Part, Chapter, Section and subsection numbers (as in my posts above) for them to be able to read all the details they need in ADR books written in their own language.

I’m happy to have helped. :smiley: :smiley: