Been told to collect excess fireworks from store and have refused until I find out about ADR regs.
They are retail packaged and stored in an insulated pallet size box about 6 foot tall. The box is secured on the outside with a padlock. The markings on outside of box say “Explosives 1.4”
Can anyone tell me if I can carry these without ADR and if so then does vehicle need markings.
You can carry up to 333kg of explosives that fall into the category 1.4 without requiring and adr
ADR class 1 licence required. Not a run of the mill job. I’ve had an ADR for 11 years and I can’t carry them.
If they’re classed in category 1.4S you can carry an unlimited amount without requiring ADR.
This category is basically for goods that only contain a very small amount of explosive.
Would they not come under LQ’s?
Former employer put me through the class one part of the Adr ticket,to carry fireworks.
Depends on how much explosives are contained though
AJF3011:
If they’re classed in category 1.4S you can carry an unlimited amount without requiring ADR.
This category is basically for goods that only contain a very small amount of explosive.
That one, though fireworks can also be 1.4G in which case the 333kg rule applies.
AJF3011:
If they’re classed in category 1.4S you can carry an unlimited amount without requiring ADR.
This category is basically for goods that only contain a very small amount of explosive.
Yes, I used to quite legally take shotgun shells from Spain to the UK, I don’t have ADR and I didn’t even have to put stickers on the trailer for the same reason, small amounts.
Radar19:
Would they not come under LQ’s?
Depends how it’s packaged, we can carry full containers packed to the gunnels with aerosol as LQ but it all comes down to how they are packaged and how they are kept apart from each other.
I’d guess there isn’t with these though.
Harry Monk:
AJF3011:
If they’re classed in category 1.4S you can carry an unlimited amount without requiring ADR.
This category is basically for goods that only contain a very small amount of explosive.Yes, I used to quite legally take shotgun shells from Spain to the UK, I don’t have ADR and I didn’t even have to put stickers on the trailer for the same reason, small amounts.
I picked up 14t of shotgun shells once, came under LQ’s because of the way they packed them.
wing-nut:
Been told to collect excess fireworks from store and have refused until I find out about ADR regs.
They are retail packaged and stored in an insulated pallet size box about 6 foot tall. The box is secured on the outside with a padlock. The markings on outside of box say “Explosives 1.4”
Can anyone tell me if I can carry these without ADR and if so then does vehicle need markings.
Hi wing-nut,
I can answer your questions if you tell me the letter that goes with the 1.4 please.
I can give you an even better answer if you give me the UN number and whether the journey was international or domestic please. 
The Enforcer:
You can carry up to 333kg of explosives that fall into the category 1.4 without requiring and adr
Sorry mate, that’s incorrect as written.
It depends on the UN number and the CG letter, and whether the journey is international or domestic.
Radar19:
Harry Monk:
AJF3011:
If they’re classed in category 1.4S you can carry an unlimited amount without requiring ADR.
This category is basically for goods that only contain a very small amount of explosive.Yes, I used to quite legally take shotgun shells from Spain to the UK, I don’t have ADR and I didn’t even have to put stickers on the trailer for the same reason, small amounts.
I picked up 14t of shotgun shells once, came under LQ’s because of the way they packed them.
Sorry mate, but normal shotgun cartridges are 1.4S, and that’s the reason you could carry them as per AJF3011 andHarry Monk’s posts above.
It had nothing to do with LQs.
Now this is what ■■■■■■ me off about DG’s and ADR stuff. If you haven’t been on an ADR course, then how are you supposed to know about any of the above posted stuff? And if you HAVE been on an ADR course, then it doesn’t matter because you are allowed to carry them!
I regularly have to pull up FLT drivers who are putting pallets on my trailer with DG labels on them. The answer is always the same “It’s ok mate, limited quantities”. I just have to take their word for it, because I don’t have ADR… And as long as the agency I work for only pays £1 per hour extra for ADR work, then I won’t be spending £500 or whatever it is these days to get an ADR licence!
alcraw62:
Now this is what ■■■■■■ me off about DG’s and ADR stuff. If you haven’t been on an ADR course, then how are you supposed to know about any of the above posted stuff? And if you HAVE been on an ADR course, then it doesn’t matter because you are allowed to carry them!
I regularly have to pull up FLT drivers who are putting pallets on my trailer with DG labels on them. The answer is always the same “It’s ok mate, limited quantities”. I just have to take their word for it, because I don’t have ADR… And as long as the agency I work for only pays £1 per hour extra for ADR work, then I won’t be spending £500 or whatever it is these days to get an ADR licence!
It’s not the responsibility of the driver to know what is ADR and what isn’t, of course it’s common sense though to flag a concern if you’re loading 26 pallets of TNT though.
DJC:
It’s not the responsibility of the driver to know what is ADR and what isn’t, of course it’s common sense though to flag a concern if you’re loading 26 pallets of TNT though.
So if I get pulled by VOSA and they find a load of DG’s in the back, which are out of scope of limited quantities, then I have nothing to worry about? That’s not what I have heard from other drivers.
dieseldave:
Hi wing-nut,I can answer your questions if you tell me the letter that goes with the 1.4 please.
I can give you an even better answer if you give me the UN number and whether the journey was international or domestic please.
Sorry dd, as I’d refused to carry them until I’d found out about ADR I didn’t have access to them. All the stores except mine had theirs collected by other drivers during the night so don’t think I’m too popular. 
Did speak to one driver who said he thinks it was 1.4G but I’ll find out for sure next year if I’m still there.
OVLOV JAY:
ADR class 1 licence required. Not a run of the mill job. I’ve had an ADR for 11 years and I can’t carry them.
Fitework exept from class 1 anyway by present rulles.
dieseldave:
Radar19:
Harry Monk:
AJF3011:
If they’re classed in category 1.4S you can carry an unlimited amount without requiring ADR.
This category is basically for goods that only contain a very small amount of explosive.Yes, I used to quite legally take shotgun shells from Spain to the UK, I don’t have ADR and I didn’t even have to put stickers on the trailer for the same reason, small amounts.
I picked up 14t of shotgun shells once, came under LQ’s because of the way they packed them.
Sorry mate, but normal shotgun cartridges are 1.4S, and that’s the reason you could carry them as per AJF3011 andHarry Monk’s posts above.
It had nothing to do with LQs.
Shotgun cartridges are routinely sent and packaged as LQs these days (since ADR2013) - I would add pictures but not sure how to do that…
alcraw62:
DJC:
It’s not the responsibility of the driver to know what is ADR and what isn’t, of course it’s common sense though to flag a concern if you’re loading 26 pallets of TNT though.So if I get pulled by VOSA and they find a load of DG’s in the back, which are out of scope of limited quantities, then I have nothing to worry about? That’s not what I have heard from other drivers.
Shouldn’t have a problem if you’re transporting unobtainium with class 9 stickers, to someone who hasn’t been on an ADR course it wouldn’t be obvious that it is. I’m not sure the exact treatment or assumption but DD will, I would assume it comes down to the circumstances, what you were told and your intent.