Whoever’s fault it was is really irrelevant as this was a ‘real time event’ no video scrutiny was available at the time.
I think the question should be…■■
at 5 seconds the front of the clio appears to be past the back of the flatbed trailer so wouldnt see the indicator come on at 6 seconds unless looking down at the back of the unit,at 8 seconds at the corsa in lane 3 is where the clio was at 6 seconds albeit in lane 3 maybe the clio driver didnt feel it was safe to move into the 3rd lane in front of the corsa as there was also a car coming alongside the corsa in lane 4.
The flatbed in front of the flatbed that hit the clio they both look the same I just wonder if the flatbed driver is in I must keep up with my mate in front mode and tried to bully his way out to maintain the speed or and just not seen the clio.
Not the Clio drivers fault
Carryfast:
xichrisxi:
He moved out to overtake the wagon in front of him,I doubt he even saw the obstruction on the hard shoulder look at he the pictures he’s hardly a wagons length behind the wagon in front going off the shadows cast on the hard shoulder,also I very much doubt the Clio driver ever had sight of the obstruction on the hard shoulder
Whichever way you look at it all the flatbed driver had to do was to wait another 2 secs and everyone could of carried on their merry way unfortunately only the flatbed driver was able to do so,carry on his merry way thy is.The attempted lane change by the truck starts at 0.08.At which point the distance to the vehicle ahead in lane 1 isn’t clear at all.Although there’s no reason to think that the car on the hard shoulder wouldn’t have been visible at that point especially in the case of LHD.What is clear is that there was no reason as to why the driver of the car involved couldn’t have moved into lane 3 at 0.15.Which I’m guessing is what the truck driver had naively taken for granted.
What is also obviously clear in this case is a lack of co operation and general rule of move to lane 2 in the event of hazards on the hard shoulder,which is an accident waiting to happen.
No no no carryfast, I can’t beleive you amongst all of us haven’t solved this, it’s very clear.
Thatcher was driving the artic, she was trying to force the union leaders all squashed into the Clio to change there minds, it wasn’t working so she forced them out of the way, narrowly missing a car full of miners/steelworker/ship builders/ british rail employees on the hard shoulder of life who had just got out of the way before she drove straight over them and there jobs.
Morning Carryfast…
All we see here is the sense of entitlement that so many on the road have these days. From the truck driver feeling that everybody should give way because he has put his indicator on, to the car driver who feels that the truck driver should see him, regardless of where he is in relation to the trucks mirrors and road conditions.
A professional truck driver would of waited until there was a suitable gap in the traffic, otherwise he would wait, even if it meant, god forbid just backing off a bit. A competent car driver would of realised there could be a chance the truck might be driven by the large minority of erratic and aggressive truck driving community or he might just be out of sight and in danger, or if he was truly competent he would of seen truck encroaching on vehicle in front, and anticipating the truck pulling out,changed lanes to accommodate.
The driver who took the footage, the truck driver and the car driver are all symptomatic of current driving standards. The truck should be prosecuted for leaving the scene of an accident. Lets not have any of this nonsense of him not being aware of any contact with the car either.
xichrisxi:
selby newcomer:
Not blaming the car for this incident but why do car drivers constantly hang around the sides of hgv’s, it’s the last place I want to be when I’m in my carBecause he/she was keeping a safe distance from the car in front,simple.
My take on it; the truck is wanting out into lane two and is waiting for the car to pass, he is aware of a the van coming up fast and knows he needs to move out the very second the car passes. Unfortunately at this moment the car slightly slows due to the vehicles in front of her slowing and instead of the truck slotting in a couple of foot behind the car he clips her tail and she spins out of control.
I’m not going to get on my high horse and overly criticise the lorry driver for moving out so close behind the car, if you do it properly and wait for a suitable gap you will never get out. However, I find it very difficult to believe he is unaware that he has hit the car, if he hasn’t heard or felt it where does he think it has gone? he will have been watching it for the last few minutes.
Bluey Circles:
xichrisxi:
selby newcomer:
Not blaming the car for this incident but why do car drivers constantly hang around the sides of hgv’s, it’s the last place I want to be when I’m in my carBecause he/she was keeping a safe distance from the car in front,simple.
My take on it; the truck is wanting out into lane two and is waiting for the car to pass, he is aware of a the van coming up fast and knows he needs to move out the very second the car passes. Unfortunately at this moment the car slightly slows due to the vehicles in front of her slowing and instead of the truck slotting in a couple of foot behind the car he clips her tail and she spins out of control.
I’m not going to get on my high horse and overly criticise the lorry driver for moving out so close behind the car, if you do it properly and wait for a suitable gap you will never get out. However, I find it very difficult to believe he is unaware that he has hit the car, if he hasn’t heard or felt it where does he think it has gone? he will have been watching it for the last few minutes.
This is what I said,you can see how much the van has to anchor up which shows that the HGV was trying to squeeze into a gap that wasn’t there just to keep up with his mate who is driving the same vehicle ahead of him in lane 2.
xichrisxi:
Bluey Circles:
xichrisxi:
selby newcomer:
Not blaming the car for this incident but why do car drivers constantly hang around the sides of hgv’s, it’s the last place I want to be when I’m in my carBecause he/she was keeping a safe distance from the car in front,simple.
My take on it; the truck is wanting out into lane two and is waiting for the car to pass, he is aware of a the van coming up fast and knows he needs to move out the very second the car passes. Unfortunately at this moment the car slightly slows due to the vehicles in front of her slowing and instead of the truck slotting in a couple of foot behind the car he clips her tail and she spins out of control.
I’m not going to get on my high horse and overly criticise the lorry driver for moving out so close behind the car, if you do it properly and wait for a suitable gap you will never get out. However, I find it very difficult to believe he is unaware that he has hit the car, if he hasn’t heard or felt it where does he think it has gone? he will have been watching it for the last few minutes.
This is what I said,you can see how much the van has to anchor up which shows that the HGV was trying to squeeze into a gap that wasn’t there just to keep up with his mate who is driving the same vehicle ahead of him in lane 2.
Yes, I was in agreement with your take on it, maybe I worded it badly. 
And I also think you make a good point about needing to keep up with his mate, always danger when someone feels the need to drive faster than they normally do.
Maybe they only had one sat nav between them and the guy in the lead HGV had it
I could be wrong but…the rear plate looks white…
dockspotter:
I could be wrong but…the rear plate looks white…
You can see the kerb mirror on the o/s so it is a left hand drive
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Should be shown to everyone as part of the test.
Truck to blame but the cause, negligence, danger, lack of anticipation and poor driving all belong to the Clio.
The lesson to learn from this video shouldn’t be that the truck needs to slow down and cancel the lane change, that’s no way to run a road network.
Think truck, open your eyes and get out the ■■■■ way.
Whilst I agree the car should have moved, we all know how frustrating that is, the truck was showing signs of hesitation. He knew the Clio was there. And how wouldn’t you see the Clio spin around the front 
Sorry, but I think the Clio driver wasn’t to blame. You don’t have a right to change lanes because you indicate and as for “Think truck, open your eyes and get out the ■■■■ way.” well, that’s a good attitude ain’t it. The driver of the Clio could have been anyone ie, inexperienced, frightened to get into the third lane or just not courteous. I and thousands of others have been in this position of trying to change lanes on the nearside (whether left or right hand drive) but haven’t hit something. As has been said, how could he not have seen the Clio spinning around in front of him. Not everyone is a professional/experienced driver and allowances have to be made.
So the Clio driver could have moved over, but didn’t; the lorry driver should have known the Clio was there, but changed lanes and hit it; the lorry driver absolutely must have known he’d hit the Clio and seen it spinning round in front of him, yet didn’t stop, even though it span from his right to his left where he would have had time to give the driver a wave.
French reg (60,80 & 90 stickers on trailer & back of cab).
Not that I think this Clio has adaptive cruise control, but cars being in stupid places like this will become more common.
I still think the truck driver has seen the Clio pass, he has then been in his mirrors making sure he can safely move out, (being in a LHD he would be leaning forward on his seat checking for cars coming over from the third lane) at that moment the Clio has slowed a bit to allow for vehicles ahead that are slowing. If I had been driving the car I would have been aware of what the lorry might do and would have stayed in front, but if I was relying on ACC then…
Norfolkinclue1:
No no no carryfast, I can’t beleive you amongst all of us haven’t solved this, it’s very clear.Thatcher was driving the artic, she was trying to force the union leaders all squashed into the Clio to change there minds, it wasn’t working so she forced them out of the way, narrowly missing a car full of miners/steelworker/ship builders/ british rail employees on the hard shoulder of life who had just got out of the way before she drove straight over them and there jobs.
Morning Carryfast…
More like a Norfolk driver driving the car in which case as usual your user name applies.But a foreign driver wouldn’t be expected to know that.
peterm:
The driver of the Clio could have been anyone ie, inexperienced, frightened to get into the third lane
And that’s how people get wiped out on the hard shoulder.If someone is too incompetent to anticipate the need for and/or scared to make a lane change then they shouldn’t be driving on multi lane roads or driving at all. 
Ian G:
Should be shown to everyone as part of the test.Truck to blame but the cause, negligence, danger, lack of anticipation and poor driving all belong to the Clio.
The lesson to learn from this video shouldn’t be that the truck needs to slow down and cancel the lane change, that’s no way to run a road network.
Think truck, open your eyes and get out the ■■■■ way.
Not in all cases.But in this case LHD combined with an obstruction on the hard shoulder and the obvious co operation of the car in lane 3.
+1.
Carryfast:
peterm:
The driver of the Clio could have been anyone ie, inexperienced, frightened to get into the third laneAnd that’s how people get wiped out on the hard shoulder.If someone is too incompetent to anticipate the need for and/or scared to make a lane change then they shouldn’t be driving on multi lane roads or driving at all.
The fact is that they are out there and I’ve come across them and managed not to cause a smash, how about you.
peterm:
Carryfast:
peterm:
The driver of the Clio could have been anyone ie, inexperienced, frightened to get into the third laneAnd that’s how people get wiped out on the hard shoulder.If someone is too incompetent to anticipate the need for and/or scared to make a lane change then they shouldn’t be driving on multi lane roads or driving at all.
The fact is that they are out there and I’ve come across them and managed not to cause a smash, how about you.
Fair enough.Now change the circumstances to the idiot driving the car also being the type of dopey inexperienced zb who stops the thing close to the line on the hard shoulder then gets out of the drivers door walking over the line.Or recovery crews working around broken down vehicles for that matter.You’re going to stay in lane 1 because I’m not going to change lanes,or back off and give way,in lane 2,to allow you out well before that point and you’re not going to even attempt a lane change anyway even if I did.Who’s to blame for any resulting carnage.Let me guess the idiots on the hard shoulder.It seems like you’re applying double standards regards the idiots who you’re prepared to make allowances for in that case. 
Ian G is spot on in this case.