Can’t get a straight answer and nowadays only see our driver trainers once in a blue moon.
the 'ittle arrow infront of the 90 means “greater than” , so its refering to the amount of time you were using more than 90% of the available power.
11.6 mpg!!! were you only going down hill? it’ll be worse coming back!
mucker85:
11.6 mpg!!! were you only going down hill? it’ll be worse coming back!
I was running light for half the day did have it up to 12.5mpg at one point but then took on a backload still no bad going.
Lycanthrope:
the 'ittle arrow infront of the 90 means “greater than” , so its refering to the amount of time you were using more than 90% of the available power.
So would this be steep hills do you think?
If it’s torque measured at the engine, then high torque could be a sign of hanging on too long in too high a gear. If it’s measured after the gearbox, then it’s just a function of your load and the steepness hills you go up and it doesn’t seem to me there’s much you could do about it.
Look on the bright side though: it’s just one of a bazillion daft figures they could have scraped off the canbus - one day you’ll be scored on average coolant temperature or minimum battery voltage.
Give a million monkeys a digital datastream and they’ll build an employee incentive package around it…
wilbur:
If it’s torque measured at the engine, then high torque could be a sign of hanging on too long in too high a gear. If it’s measured after the gearbox, then it’s just a function of your load and the steepness hills you go up and it doesn’t seem to me there’s much you could do about it.Look on the bright side though: it’s just one of a bazillion daft figures they could have scraped off the canbus - one day you’ll be scored on average coolant temperature or minimum battery voltage.
Give a million monkeys a digital datastream and they’ll build an employee incentive package around it…
Funny! Will probably happen at some point though! 
Re: Anyone know what 90% torque means?
It means the missus only shuts up for 2 hours a day! 
truckerjon:
Re: Anyone know what 90% torque means?
It means the missus only shuts up for 2 hours a day!
wilbur:
Give a million monkeys a digital datastream and they’ll build an employee incentive package around it…
Now that really did have me lol. Nice one. I’ll have to try to remember that quote.
Interesting question though, I’d like to see what the professional answer is…
Torque, (measured in Nm) is quite a bit different from power (in bhp, or kW in Europe), and isn’t that easy to explain - just try googling torque versus horsepower. I’m not even going to try…
Strange that drivers are being given out “performance” figures without any explaination as to whether they are good or bad.
TC
The_Catman:
Interesting question though, I’d like to see what the professional answer is…
Torque, (measured in Nm) is quite a bit different from power (in bhp, or kW in Europe), and isn’t that easy to explain - just try googling torque versus horsepower. I’m not even going to try…
Torque is just ‘twisting force’ - it’s what you apply to a bolt with a spanner. Power is how fast you keep applying that twisting force to something that’s actually twisting (like the input shaft of a gearbox).
Like you, I can’t really see what they’re hoping for with using that for scoring (you could avoid high engine torque by driving everywhere in first gear, or have consistently high torque by never using low range), and whatever it is, they’re certainly not going to get it if the drivers don’t know what’s being asked for.
Maybe it’s just a test of a driver’s ability to follow random instructions…
wilbur:
Look on the bright side though: it’s just one of a bazillion daft figures they could have scraped off the canbus - one day you’ll be scored on average coolant temperature or minimum battery voltage.Give a million monkeys a digital datastream and they’ll build an employee incentive package around it…
Sooo true. One of the funniest posts ever. 
wilbur:
Maybe it’s just a test of a driver’s ability to follow random instructions…
True , but it isn’t even clear whether they want you to spend more time at over 90% torque or less…
A truck cruising along the A14 at 50 mph, say, is never going to be using much torque once you’ve finished accelerating, but an auto truck on cruise control (so getting a big thumbs up on another feedback criteria) going up the M74 is going to be spending a lot of time at max torque trying to maintain speed up the big hills - completely different scenarios.
It may be making some poor drivers better (but I doubt it, they don’t want to learn anything anyway), and will just end up sending better ones nuts
TC
It’s a polite way of saying “RELEASE THE HANDBRAKE” 
merc0447:
Can’t get a straight answer and nowadays only see our driver trainers once in a blue moon.
When you use 90% torque you are using as much power output that the engine can deliver. After that you are damaging the engine. When training in SAFED you keep the needle in the green, 90% Torque is pushing the power output further for example into the far side of the yellow band.
lee mc67:
merc0447:
Can’t get a straight answer and nowadays only see our driver trainers once in a blue moon.
When you use 90% torque you are using as much power output that the engine can deliver. After that you are damaging the engine. When training in SAFED you keep the needle in the green, 90% Torque is pushing the power output further for example into the far side of the yellow band.
Thanks - that’s helpful
TC
You are not going to damage an engine by using maximum torque, that is what we all hanker after, in the diagram it shows that the engine was using more than 90% torque for only 5.26% of the journey or 10.3 miles.
The engineering symbol for more than is this: > less than is <.
There are 5 terms of engineering that are important.
Mass
Force
Torque
Work
Energy
Lets suppose you are riding a motorbike around a bend approaching the apex, you need to stand the bike up, the only sure way of doing this is by increasing the torque, that is why riders talk about “on the limit” or nothing left in reserve. If you are already using 100% torque, nothing will happen when you open the throttle, so they use different gear ratios to maximise that 100%
A Ducati or a Harley Davison have a very wide torque range, where a CBR 1000 or Kawasaki 1300 have a narrow range, in third gear at 70mph you could just open the throttle on the V Twins and they would fire off into the sunset or undergrowth depending on the rider. The big Jap 4 cylinders are less harsh, but scream more. The maximum torque on a Jap 4 or 6 cylinder bike may be between 12 and 14000rpm but on the twins it could be as low as 2000rpm right through to 9000rpm
This is a good site that will explain with diagrams what each term and our use of it means.
auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-part … n/fpte.htm
Have a look at the comparisons between a Ford Mustang and a Caterpillar truck engine, both have the same horsepower.
lee mc67:
merc0447:
Can’t get a straight answer and nowadays only see our driver trainers once in a blue moon.
When you use 90% torque you are using as much power output that the engine can deliver. After that you are damaging the engine. When training in SAFED you keep the needle in the green, 90% Torque is pushing the power output further for example into the far side of the yellow band.
What utter poppycock. 100% torque is the maximum power output that the engine can deliver. You do not damage the engine by putting out more than 90% torque. You might use more fuel and it might not be a good idea to do it for prolonged periods but during normal driving using 100% of the torque does not damage an engine.
You do not push the torque higher by going into the yellow band and in fact it has been dropping long before you get there. In fact, maximum torque on most wagon engines occurs low in the green band, usually at the bottom end which is where you want it as it is torque that gets you moving. Here is the road test for a Scania R420. Peak torque occurs from 1100 to 1350RPM.
roadtransport.com/ROADTESTSR … -r420.html
If what you say is what you were taught then the people teaching you are clueless halfwits.
If it helps in the analysis it is a automatic wagon and its a rare thing for me to go higher than the green band i can count on one hand the amount of times ive done it. I don’t believe it to be higher than the green band or else this would show up on the over revving part of the diagram.
The wagon has really short ratios in low gear so i do tend to switch it to manual to get it moving but i never go above green. Maybe it is measuring my heavy foot in the low gears?