Anybody use agencies rather than employing someone?

[dieseldave]

Spam-Javelin:
Some of the people of this forum are actually unbelievable. As I said before unless you have nothing constructive to add please refrain from contributing nothing but trash.

Hi SJ,

Yes, I’ll agree that there have been some comments that quite possibly weren’t to your liking.
In all fairness though, some of your responses might have the capacity to damage your TN reputation, but as a qualified TM you probably don’t need that pointing out, nor the fact that you never know who is reading the forums, so it’s just a polite and constructive observation.

You don’t like it? OK, that’s fair enough and your choice entirely.

You might consider some options…
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Spam-Javelin:
Moderators I have asked before and I will ask again, please delete my account from this forum as there is no manual way of doing this.

There is no way that you or a Moderator can delete your account and that’s TN company policy so to say, so my advice is that you think carefully before you hit the ‘submit’ button, or simply stop visiting TN.

Spam-Javelin:
Also please tell Barnaby I will not be placing my order for a banner advertisement as quite frankly there are a small minority of this forum who I don’t want to waste my hard earned money on as they would bring no benefit to my business.

I hope this isn’t you divulging the content of a PM or email, because I’ll politely warn you that it’s against forum rules.
I’m fairly sure that a simple “no thanks” would suffice, rather than making more of a drama out of it than it’s worth.
If you decide to stay after all, please take the opportunity to read the forum rules.

Spam-Javelin:
Do not ask me to email Rikki as I have emailed him previously and I’m still here.

I can’t speak for Rikki, but let’s be fair… it’s very easy for anybody to mean to come back to an email/PM a bit later and simply forget.
Quite a few of the PMs I write have to start with an apology for a delay in responding.
Please try a re-send.

Spam-Javelin:
Please make this happen without delay.

If you can convince Rikki of a real need and proper reason to delete your account, it might happen, but I’ll politely advise you that a rant will get you nowhere.

The next move (if any) is entirely up to you, but please allow yourself some time to think carefully before coming to a decision.

[nick2008]

dieseldave:

Spam-Javelin:
Some of the people of this forum are actually unbelievable. As I said before unless you have nothing constructive to add please refrain from contributing nothing but trash.

Hi SJ,

Yes, I’ll agree that there have been some comments that quite possibly weren’t to your liking.
In all fairness though, some of your responses might have the capacity to damage your TN reputation, but as a qualified TM you probably don’t need that pointing out, nor the fact that you never know who is reading the forums, so it’s just a polite and constructive observation.

You don’t like it? OK, that’s fair enough and your choice entirely.

You might consider some options…
1.) You can use the ‘foe’ button and ignore the comments that you don’t like.
2.) You could decide not to answer comments that you don’t agree with or that you don’t like.
3.) You could simply just not visit TN again, which would allow all your posts to slide down the forums into historical obscurity.

Spam-Javelin:
Moderators I have asked before and I will ask again, please delete my account from this forum as there is no manual way of doing this.

There is no way that you or a Moderator can delete your account and that’s TN company policy so to say, so my advice is that you think carefully before you hit the ‘submit’ button, or simply stop visiting TN.

Spam-Javelin:
Also please tell Barnaby I will not be placing my order for a banner advertisement as quite frankly there are a small minority of this forum who I don’t want to waste my hard earned money on as they would bring no benefit to my business.

I hope this isn’t you divulging the content of a PM or email, because I’ll politely warn you that it’s against forum rules.I’m fairly sure that a simple “no thanks” would suffice, rather than making more of a drama out of it than it’s worth.
If you decide to stay after all, please take the opportunity to read the forum rules.

Spam-Javelin:
Do not ask me to email Rikki as I have emailed him previously and I’m still here.

I can’t speak for Rikki, but let’s be fair… it’s very easy for anybody to mean to come back to an email/PM a bit later and simply forget.
Quite a few of the PMs I write have to start with an apology for a delay in responding.
Please try a re-send.

Spam-Javelin:
Please make this happen without delay.

If you can convince Rikki of a real need and proper reason to delete your account, it might happen, but I’ll politely advise you that a rant will get you nowhere.

The next move (if any) is entirely up to you, but please allow yourself some time to think carefully before coming to a decision.

But But Dave he’s not coming back
But he did
MonMar 17, 2014 7:56 am
I do hope you didn’t have any of this in an Email Dave cause you know you’ll be in the ■■■
Well said Dave I have to agree some of us did go a bit hard but when they bite hard and fast its like fishing season when your a kid.

[cav551]

Any (potential) customers reading this thread will form their own opinions, and those opinions will most likely revolve around one contributor.The idea that anyone has the right to silence a contradictory opinion, or some statement that one sees as irrelevant, is a principle about which millions of Britons have died trying to prevent.

[nick2008]

cant keep away can he

Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:54 am

[newmercman]

nick2008:
cant keep away can he

Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:54 am

And again at 10:03

[acd1202]

I always think that you can tell a lot about about a person, when you discover they have to two Linkedin profiles, and they don’t match.

[rikki-uk]

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[nick2008]

Rikki-UK:
The gentleman concerned has had his answer, both privately and publicly to having his account deleted- Just in case anyone else is unsure- we do not delete accounts the reasoning is here

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[gingerfold]

Spam-Javelin:
How much more beneficial is it to use agency drivers rather than employing a driver direct? When I say beneficial I am of course referring to the financial aspect.

Ta

If you can agree a rate of, say about £11 per hour with an agency for a weekday shift then there is not a lot of difference between what you pay the agency and what the direct cost of employing a driver yourself is, factoring in employer’s NI contribution of course. Holiday pay has also to be taken into the equation so it could be slightly cheaper with an agency driver overall. However, it definitely become more costly to use agency drivers for weekend, nights, and premium payment shifts. The big downside with using agency drivers is that the damage they do as I have recently found out to my cost. I am not anti-agency drivers and over the years I have probably sanctioned, with a previous company, more per annum on agency drivers than any other contributor on here. (£2.3 million per annum typically). In the company I now run agency drivers are not suitable because they do not have the skills, know how, experience and knowledge for the type of work we do. I have recently set on 5 new drivers, four of them being from agencies looking for permanent work. One has gone after 3 weeks, one after 6 days. I could not afford to keep them because of damage being caused. Putting it simply, and from past experience of which I have plenty, agency drivers are an absolute last resort and it is cheaper to park the truck in the yard.

[thebabydragon]

i spent my first day in traffic office yesterday and met my new driver he had been agency for 5 years and he was over joyed to be working direct for us as driver he says its the first time in years he felt like he belongs, he worked local yesterday and by the time he was all done he said it was less stressful than working for an multi agencies as he can consentrate on the job instead of having half mind on job and other on the idea were his next job was coming from so to me its a no brainer to employ lads direct rather than agency

[mypay_bureau]

Hi Spam-Javelin

This may have already been answered within your thread, if not here goes…

A basic cost of employment calculation is salary or hourly rate, plus Employers NI 12.8% and Holiday pay 10.17%

There are additional costs of employment, such as SSP, SMP, Insurance, uniform and training etc etc

Using an employment agency, all the above is factored in, plus the agencies profit margin. (they have to make a profit for their service, after all a good agency will provide a good service) your business will receive a tax deductible invoice from the agency.

Hourly rate comparison based on an hourly rate of £8.00 ph:

£8.00 per hour, plus Emp NI (£1.15) and WTD (£0.81) = True cost of employment £9.96 per hour(this is a bit crude because NI has a threshold before it kicks in)

Some of the positives of using an employment agency or business are that you have a disposable workforce which you can increase and decrease inline with your business demands and you have no employer liabilities.

Some of the negatives are that you are trusting the agency to supply you with personnel that then need to be competent enough to represent your company. Driving standards, attitude and presentation are some of the areas that previous posts have commented on.

Hope that helps

[kjw21]

“Disposable workforce” - nice turn of phrase!

[n_i_express]

Advantages of using agency .

a. Wide pool of drivers to choose from ( or allow agency to select ).

b. No administration costs ( all built into the agency rate )

c. Keeps your options open - you can always pay the agency a fee and recruit the driver permanently .

No one is compelled to register with an employment agency . They ( the agencies ) provide a wide chice of work to their employees ( you are unlikely to find these opportunites if working on a self employed basis )