About sums up this forum to be honest.
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.
Not wanting to pay cash in hand I can understand, but not wanting to use a self employed driver makes no sense, if you don’t want to directly employ the driver using a driver on a self employed basis is going to be cheaper than paying an agency so both you and the driver are better off.
tachograph:
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.Not wanting to pay cash in hand I can understand, but not wanting to use a self employed driver makes no sense, if you don’t want to directly employ the driver using a driver on a self employed basis is going to be cheaper than paying an agency so both you and the driver are better off.
I hear horror stories of companies being stung by the revenue for using self employed guys as a way of dodging the need to pay employers national insurance contributions and what not. I’d rather not be involved. Again I may be wrong.
Spam-Javelin:
tachograph:
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.Not wanting to pay cash in hand I can understand, but not wanting to use a self employed driver makes no sense, if you don’t want to directly employ the driver using a driver on a self employed basis is going to be cheaper than paying an agency so both you and the driver are better off.
I hear horror stories of companies being stung by the revenue for using self employed guys as a way of dodging the need to pay employers national insurance contributions and what not. I’d rather not be involved. Again I may be wrong.
Using a driver for the odd day here and there will not raise any flags with the tax man
newmercman:
Spam-Javelin:
tachograph:
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.Not wanting to pay cash in hand I can understand, but not wanting to use a self employed driver makes no sense, if you don’t want to directly employ the driver using a driver on a self employed basis is going to be cheaper than paying an agency so both you and the driver are better off.
I hear horror stories of companies being stung by the revenue for using self employed guys as a way of dodging the need to pay employers national insurance contributions and what not. I’d rather not be involved. Again I may be wrong.
Using a driver for the odd day here and there will not raise any flags with the tax man
I will be using him full time.
Spam-Javelin:
newmercman:
Spam-Javelin:
tachograph:
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.Not wanting to pay cash in hand I can understand, but not wanting to use a self employed driver makes no sense, if you don’t want to directly employ the driver using a driver on a self employed basis is going to be cheaper than paying an agency so both you and the driver are better off.
I hear horror stories of companies being stung by the revenue for using self employed guys as a way of dodging the need to pay employers national insurance contributions and what not. I’d rather not be involved. Again I may be wrong.
Using a driver for the odd day here and there will not raise any flags with the tax man
I will be using him full time.
So pay him properly then 
An agency (reputable) will be doing that and putting a profit on top, cut out the middle man and save yourself some money 
Spam-Javelin:
I will be using him full time.
If you are looking for a full-time driver then I can’t see how it would make any sense using one through an agency. On top of the driver’s wages the agency will be adding about £3 an hour for their overheads. From the get-go, I have been unable to see the logic in your question.
Harry Monk:
Spam-Javelin:
I will be using him full time.If you are looking for a full-time driver then I can’t see how it would make any sense using one through an agency. On top of the driver’s wages the agency will be adding about £3 an hour for their overheads. From the get-go, I have been unable to see the logic in your question.
Thought it was just me 
Harry Monk:
Spam-Javelin:
I will be using him full time.If you are looking for a full-time driver then I can’t see how it would make any sense using one through an agency. On top of the driver’s wages the agency will be adding about £3 an hour for their overheads. From the get-go, I have been unable to see the logic in your question.
I am seeking answers to a question that is slowly but surely being answered. So it is cheaper for me to employ someone full time and pay all the extras, holiday pay sick pay and all that rather than just do it via an agency.
Spam-Javelin:
Harry Monk:
Spam-Javelin:
I will be using him full time.If you are looking for a full-time driver then I can’t see how it would make any sense using one through an agency. On top of the driver’s wages the agency will be adding about £3 an hour for their overheads. From the get-go, I have been unable to see the logic in your question.
I am seeking answers to a question that is slowly but surely being answered. So it is cheaper for me to employ someone full time and pay all the extras, holiday pay sick pay and all that rather than just do it via an agency.
But you didn’t give all the info to start with did you…ffs
If you start out by saying I’m looking at using a driver FULL time which route would be best you would have had a better answer . Much like asking which tyres should I use… tyres for a bike, car, trailer. If you don’t give all the relevant details your gonna get ■■■■ back 
Spam-Javelin:
Harry Monk:
Spam-Javelin:
I will be using him full time.If you are looking for a full-time driver then I can’t see how it would make any sense using one through an agency. On top of the driver’s wages the agency will be adding about £3 an hour for their overheads. From the get-go, I have been unable to see the logic in your question.
I am seeking answers to a question that is slowly but surely being answered. So it is cheaper for me to employ someone full time and pay all the extras, holiday pay sick pay and all that rather than just do it via an agency.
How do we know the answer to that?
How much are you planning to pay a driver?
Are you going for a low guaranteed wage with bonuses etc making up the rest?
Are you paying an hourly rate plus overtime?
What about holiday pay, is it based on an average gross earnings or a set amount?
How about the agency, what is their hourly rate?
How many hours before they want overtime rates?
My bros mrs runs an agency class one driver supplied trough an agency will cost you 13 quid an hour min 10 hours so it’s 130 a day min Tht is the rate all the way thru no overtime rate nights out not incl
monarch of the highway:
My bros mrs runs an agency class one driver supplied trough an agency will cost you 13 quid an hour min 10 hours so it’s 130 a day min Tht is the rate all the way thru no overtime rate nights out not incl
Finally a decent answer. There are some proper people on here after all, not arse holes looking to cause unwarranted friction. Thank you.
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.
SJ,
Many agencies make their drivers S/E, in many cases by use of umbrella schemes, so it might be an idea to rethink your question, or whether it might be better to consider employing a driver directly but on an S/E basis.
If my reading of your question is correct, your notion of the relationship between an agecy and its drivers might be a bit ‘old school.’
Just a constructive observation. 
dieseldave:
Spam-Javelin:
I do not and will not pay anyone cash in hand or on a self employed basis.SJ,
Many agencies make their drivers S/E, in many cases by use of umbrella schemes, so it might be an idea to rethink your question, or whether it might be better to consider employing a driver directly but on an S/E basis.
If my reading of your question is correct, your notion of the relationship between an agecy and its drivers might be a bit ‘old school.’
Just a constructive observation.
Isn’t an umbrella scheme just what it says it is, a scheme? I will have to look deeper into this. If I can employ a S/E driver quite legally for a good length of time without any backlash then of course that is what I will do but again I hear a lot of people having probs.
Spam-Javelin:
monarch of the highway:
My bros mrs runs an agency class one driver supplied trough an agency will cost you 13 quid an hour min 10 hours so it’s 130 a day min Tht is the rate all the way thru no overtime rate nights out not inclFinally a decent answer. There are some proper people on here after all, not arse holes looking to cause unwarranted friction. Thank you.
Plus 20% VAT don’t forget
So a 60hr week will mean you write a cheque for 936.00 and you’ll do that 50 weeks a year bringing your Labour cost to 46,800pa.
Of course you will reclaim the VAT, but even so, you are still paying a gross wage of 39,000pa and not many drivers are pulling that in.
A driver on 8.50ph straight through will cost you 510.00 for 60hrs, annually that’s 25,500. Add holiday pay, employers contributions etc into the mix and you’re still going to be around ten grand better off.
You could pay a tenner an hour straight through, or O/T after 8/10/12hrs and you would still be better off with an employed driver.
Oh and while I’m here, calling people who have posted on the topic arse holes, is A, against site rules and B, unlikely to get you many sensible answers.
Attack the post, not the poster, them’s the rules…
If you want a top driver and a top job doing then you would be well advised to hire a freelance professional class one driver who is self employed as a limited company. Granted, it might cost you a little bit more than setting someone on but the savings on damage and getting lost will soon pay for this.
Setting a bloke on paye involves you sorting out his tax, national insurance and company NI too and ultimately this will cost you some dollars as you legally have to pay holiday pay too whereas the Self employed driver is not your problem, you just pay him the agreed hourly rate end of.
If you can find a driver who will work for £7 per hour then you really need to be asking yourself what quality of driver you are getting.
a good driver employed is more loyal, agency drivers are never loyal and its always in the back of your mind will they turn up for work
if your work is priced up right you should have any problems employing, the only time you might get problems is if your running at back load prices everywhere
The advantage of an agency driver is if he is off sick/holiday the agency have to find you a replacement. Also if the job goes quiet and you want to park the lorry you don’t have to pay redundancy. The down side is if you use the same man for over 13 weeks you still have to offer him a full time job or let him go. The cost is higher for agency drivers but a lot less hassle business wise.
burnley-si:
a good driver employed is more loyal, agency drivers are never loyal and its always in the back of your mind will they turn up for work
if your work is priced up right you should have any problems employing, the only time you might get problems is if your running at back load prices everywhere
almost 20 yrs on agency because it suited with the mrs now x and bringing up 2 kids. I was never out of work and did 11 yrs on Walkers crisp’s did everything they wanted even more than their own blokes would do and I’m now on a Blue Chip company where out of the 5 drivers I work with i’m the only one that puts unit and trailer through the wash at the end of the night everynight. Come on Si as in any industry you’ll have drivers and Drivers don’t tar everyone with the same spray gun fella. 