Any old promotor drivers around

I put this photo that I took in the early eighties on the Astran/Middle East thread years ago asking if anybody knew where this bridge was and I never got a reply. I knew that it was somewhere along The Dalmatian Coast but I had no idea what it was called or what the name of the nearest town was. Until this afternoon when I was reading a book from the local library and it shown another old photo of the bridge and named the nearest town.
I have a feeling that some of you ex Promotor drivers might remember it as I am sure that you would of driven over it. Any offers.

Regards Steve.

Probably Maslenica, stary most although its a typical yugo bridge design.

Nottsnortherner:
Probably Maslenica, stary most although its a typical yugo bridge design.

I think thats spot on Nottsnortherner. I didn’t recognise it myself and if I did go over it it must have been in the dark. I know you did a lot of trips around Yugo when Zadenka got the Anglo Yugo Express business moving. Can’t now remember how many straight trips you told me you did but I doubt if it was beaten by any other Promotor driver.

mushroomman:
I put this photo that I took in the early eighties on the Astran/Middle East thread years ago asking if anybody knew where this bridge was and I never got a reply. I knew that it was somewhere along The Dalmatian Coast but I had no idea what it was called or what the name of the nearest town was. Until this afternoon when I was reading a book from the local library and it shown another old photo of the bridge and named the nearest town.
I have a feeling that some of you ex Promotor drivers might remember it as I am sure that you would of driven over it. Any offers.

Regards Steve.

That’s a brilliant photo Steve :smiley:.

If it is where others have said then im sure I would have driven over it, I just cant remember driving over it!! :laughing:… mind you, sometimes I cant remember what I did yesterday :smiley:

Thought I would post this photo again because it appears on the previous page and some may have missed it. I’m sure a lot of the regulars will recognise him immediately. For those that don’t here’s a clue. “Beat out that rhythm on a drum”.

Well done Nottsnortherner. :smiley: For years I have been wondering whereabouts that was, I knew that it was somewhere on the road to Split or Zardar but I could never find it on Google Earth. It is the Maslenica Bridge in what is now Croatia.
Bullet, you may of driven over it but it seems that it was blown up during the war while you were over there during the break up of Yugoslavia and a new one has been built.
I had a feeling that you Promotors lads might of recognised it because I know that you did a lot of work around that area so that’s why I asked on this thread. If I get time tomorrow I will try and find another old photo of the area which was taken on a different trip.
At the moment I am reading a book called Top Deck Daze which is the story of the Top Deck buses which we used to see on our travels in the 70’s/80’s, they must of used it on their way to Dubrovnik.
Indecently, Screw Turner, the guy who started Top Deck with one bus and a trip to Morocco in the seventies is now a multi millionaire and the richest bloke in Queensland. I am really enjoying the book but now I am wondering if I should of been a bus driver. :cry:

Don,t recognise him but Promotors had two experienced drummers in Bobby Keen and Roy Cloke. Bobby was a good session drummer who told me that he is actually on one of Nazareths albums as a result of their drummer being ill on recording day and Roy was the drummer on Crispian St Peters record, “Pied Piper” from the late sixties, also two ■■■■ fine chaps. Roy was an OD who ran a F88 when I first met him. In some earlier posts there is a pic of red/white Transcon from Brighton van hire. Peter C was pursuaded to take it on a contract when they were new in order for Ford to give it some exposure knowing that Pro,s did a lot of Ford work. Eventually Peter bought it and had it painted where it then went onto the general fleet but ultimately got sold to Roy. He didn,t have the best of time with it and it cost him a lot of money which, I believe, led him to eventually giving up the OD side. He became a transport manager with some local company I think local to where he used to live, St. Mary Cray or that area .

I know who it is!!

Jazzandy:
I know who it is!!

Well its definitely the derriere that gives it away! Does anyone else recognise it. I’m sorry though, I have to tell you there’s no prize.

Steve. Welcome back. Lets hear from you. Have you got those photos out of store yet.

This is my take on Promotors Dave Stagg. Love him or hate him you just couldn’t ignore him. I have tried to get the facts right but please feel free to correct me fellow Promotor drivers if you see a mistake.

Dave Stagg or Staggie as he was known to many associated with Promotor, joined the company in the mid 70’s. I understand it was a chance meeting with Peter (Mr. Promotor) Calderwood at the Aachen border where he was invited to work for the company, initially as an O/D. As has been stated elsewhere, he was based in Spain for a while when Promotor had the AA and insurance companies work repatriating damaged or broken-down cars. When he came back to the UK he soon came on the books and Peter made him up to transport manager. I think it was fair to say that he was always a company man and rarely went out of his way to ingratiate himself with the drivers. I also think it fair to say that by trying to impose his authority it caused many of the early drivers to leave.

I didn’t know Staggie at this time, not meeting him until 1977 or 78. He interviewed and offered me a job for which I was always grateful. Although it appeared no driver was favoured over another, it was obvious he was more friendly to some than others. Bill Tooke or Tookie as he was known was one such driver. Staggie, as one would expect, preferred people that he could rely on. He soon sussed out our preferences. Tony Grainger or RF (road foreman) liked working with cars and often did Road Shows, new car launches and clinics. Bill Tooke was happy hammering up and down to Yugo. I preferred longer trips and was not worried about being away for extended periods. It was also known Micky Twemlow didn’t mind being away over Christmas and New Year.

Everyone knew Staggie had an explosive temper and his caustic comments upset many. Mind you, when we joined him at his second office, The Rose & Crown at Dunton Green, he was often the life and soul of the party and loved us all. In the late 70’s and early 80’s I often heard him running one of our drivers, George Fardell, down. I know George was a bit unlucky sometimes, such as when he was returning from Poznan in a hired unit and went off the road where the unit ended up on it’s side. Dave let everyone know it was Fardell’s fault, whilst George said there was a problem with the unit. However, as much as Staggie appeared to dislike George, he still invited him home to have a meal and stay the night if it was too late to drive home to Devon. George didn’t help himself though, he had this ugly Norwegian troll-like effigy called Staggie fixed to his dashboard in the lorry. Beside it he kept a whip made from a bit of welding rod and a leather thong attached which he used to thrash Staggie hard and often, especially if the real Staggie was nearby. Another thing I remember, although Staggie wouldn’t have seen this, only the drivers. I once visited the toilets next to the restaurant in the National and sat down to contemplate and read the scribblings on the back of the door. I saw George had left a message as follows - “Promotor drivers unite. Cast off your chains. Out with Staggie”. I can’t remember the rest but it went on in that vein for a while. In the end George did leave and a lot of us thought he had been hounded out.

Dave Stagg was promoted to Director and Richard Phillips was made transport manager sometime in the mid 80’s. Dave drummed up a lot of business for Promotor including exhibition work in Russia, Conference trucking, exhibition work in Iran and all British trade fairs in Morrocca, Tunisia and South Yemen.

Staggie was married to Martine, a dutch girl, who often called him Staggie and he didn’t seem to mind. Their lifestyle, if known to a life insurance company, would have deemed them “unsuitable risks”. They both smoked heavily, drank plenty, ate badly and took no exercise. Dave also suffered from hypertension. He had such unbelievable highs matched by unbelievable lows we were often left very confused. One thing which was really exciting was taking a car ride with him. His little red ■■■■■■ had, I am sure, a square steering wheel. Every journey was flat out and every corner was square.

As I said Dave was instrumental in the mid to late 80’s in bringing a lot of exciting and valuable work to Promotor. Unfortunately in the late 80’s and perhaps early 90’s the type of business Promotor was involved in went into decline. The company shrunk alarmingly and Dave left. I think it was at this time Martine, Dave’s wife, went into hospital for an operation and tragically did not survive. Dave started up his own exhibition service company but couldn’t make a go of it. He went to work for a company in London concerned with tourism. He was found dead from a heart attack in a London hotel room a year or two later aged just 60.

It was Dave’s grit and determination combined with his natural flair that made Promotor throughout the 80’s the company it was. I was fond of Dave. He took me on, provided me with work I enjoyed doing and put me up in his house on a number of occasions. I have nothing bad to say about Dave but fully understand how others, in the early days, disliked him. However he did mellow with age. Well, ever so slightly.

Thanks for putting Staggy’s history into some perspective Sandway. I can possibly add a few details.

I first met him through exhibition work relatively late in the day. When Promotor contracted, Staggy and Phil Dowrick started Dave Stagg Associates and I met him as a result of competing on shows such as Iranmed.
Unfortunately things did not work out profitably for Dave and we took Phil on at Orient Exhibitions to lessen his overhead. After an exhibition in North Africa attended by both Dave and Martine, an absolutely charming lady by the way, they came home and Martine was diagnosed with terminal cancer and died soon after. Dave went to pieces as could be expected. DSA was as good as finished. Dave sold his house and bought a houseboat moored at Yalding near Maidstone.
Some time later Phil had to leave us rather suddenly and we took Dave on in his place as manager of our exhibitions department. It was a mistake in that we were fond of him and wanted to help him out for old time’s sake. Unfortunately his old verve had gone but he soldiered on and was tasked with organising an exhibition for the DTI in some godforsaken corner of Africa. In short Dave couldn’t handle it and had what can only be described as a nervous breakdown a few weeks before the exhibition which had to be, very embarassingly, abandoned.
He then left our employ (at his request), and we largely lost contact with him although we did ship some cargoes out for him to the Gambia where he was involved in assisting a village improve its’ facilities.
We then received the news that he had been found dead from a heart attack in a London hotel and I attended his funeral in Southampton.

Dave was very much hale fellow well met, a great drinking partner and very well liked by the customers. I am well aware of the other side of his personality as I have been a friend of George Fardell since before his days at Astran and my partner at Orient, Martin Hudson, knew him from onsite work in the old Bannon days on eastern European exhibitions.
He had a very sad and lonely end but there are still happy memories of his wit and bonhomie to remember him by.

Dave Stagg. Love him or hate him you just couldn’t ignore him. Thanks for filling in the last chapter Jazzandy.

Couple of pics for you Nottsnortherner. Tell me, were you made up to Road Foreman by Dave Stagg after the infamous meeting you mentioned earlier as a conduit for drivers complaints. Just thought it was the kind of thing Staggie would do. What happened to John Barclay? I always thought he was a part timer and his main job was as a carpet fitter. He was a good lad who I remember putting in a good word for me with Staggie when a job we were on didn’t quite go according to plan. I have a picture of Bobby Keen somewhere. Must dig it out.

Jazzandy. As you are the only person who admits to recognising your posterior shown in the earlier posted picture, I have to tell you your claim is considered null and void as, if there was any small print it would state, “no entries can be accepted from the nearest and dearest of the aforementioned shown tum” (spelling. Think there should be a b in there somewhere).

Flyingflash007. Hello Steve. I see you keeping an eye on the Promotor thread now and again. I know you have interesting anecdotes to tell. We would all love to hear from you again.

Hi Sandway, John Barclay was a very good friend of mine, we did some very interesting car shows together and he did consider joining us at Motorvation at one time but Showhaul was already established so he went to work with them. Sadly,owing to pressure of work from then on we slowly lost touch, the last time I saw him was at least 15 years ago when he popped up working for P&H on local deliveries. I think he still lives in the Longfield area as did Johnny Evans at one time. Now if ever you threw him into the mix then we knew we were in for a hilarious time,not at the expense of the job I hasten to add! We always worked hard then played hard. It was as a result of doing the car shows and then the Trade shows/product launches that built our own personal reputations up to the point that when the opportunity came for myself,Steve Marshall and Richard Brown too start on our own as Motorvation we took it! Will carry on this tale later if you like, goota go out!

Nottsnortherner. Would love to hear more. Either Promotor or Motorvation stories. As I have said a number of times on this thread not many companies could match Promotor for interest and fun. Attached is a photo of Bob Keen who, after working his ■■■■ off all day was then expected by the client to go out with them in the evening and work his ■■■■ of again!!! So it wasn’t all fun.

Yes. Bobby Keen. I was trying to recall his name when we were talking about Stevie Smith. They were very big friends with one another. Both of them were very good blokes.

There,s one thing missing in that photo of Bobby Keen…No drink in his hand!!! although he looks as though his hands were pretty full with that piece of “client entertainment” ! Bob and Stevie Smith were like the terrible twins, always getting into scrapes but always coming out the other side ok.I dont know how or why I was chosen as the RF, maybe because I,ve always been easy going,never one to ruffle feathers. In any case the nature of the job dictated that you couldn,t have an effective RF because you only saw the other guys in passing, only at Christmas were most of us all around at the same time. Also it was difficult to get Staggy to see eye to eye on anything most of the time, he was very much “Peters boy”. The only time I can remember him bowing to driver pressure was over a certain driver who will remain nameless who committed an offence and served time for it. Owing to the nature of the crime all the guys were unanimous that he wouldn,t get his job back although he had asked for it. I,m not sure that Staggy agreed with us or not but the guy never came back. Sandway, you mentioned the amount of Yugo trips I did, there were many but I,m sure there were guys on Pro,s that did more than me, Tookie and John"welly"Ward for example. One thing I will say about Yugo was In the 7 or 8 years I was doing Yugo I never had a single spot of aggravation. You had to understand their working system (early start,early finish) and fit in with it, also realise that nothing was going to get done quickly. Doing Belgrade regularly you inevitably finished up at the National for the weekend, it was like Promotors second office!. One thing that has always stuck in my memory was this. All the waiters there were called George as were we to them but there was one waiter there whose real name I cant remember but he was a Liverpool supporter and one trip I took him a Liverpool scarf, he was over the moon. Towards the end of the evening he came and sat with me and we had a serious conversation about the future. This was around the time that Tito was coming to the end of his life and the locals were fearing for their future. The one thing this guy said to me was we should look out for trouble from moslems in the future. Funny how things turn out isn,t it!

Nottsnortherner:
There,s one thing missing in that photo of Bobby Keen…No drink in his hand!!! although he looks as though his hands were pretty full with that piece of “client entertainment” ! Bob and Stevie Smith were like the terrible twins, always getting into scrapes but always coming out the other side ok.I dont know how or why I was chosen as the RF, maybe because I,ve always been easy going,never one to ruffle feathers. In any case the nature of the job dictated that you couldn,t have an effective RF because you only saw the other guys in passing, only at Christmas were most of us all around at the same time. Also it was difficult to get Staggy to see eye to eye on anything most of the time, he was very much “Peters boy”. The only time I can remember him bowing to driver pressure was over a certain driver who will remain nameless who committed an offence and served time for it. Owing to the nature of the crime all the guys were unanimous that he wouldn,t get his job back although he had asked for it. I,m not sure that Staggy agreed with us or not but the guy never came back. Sandway, you mentioned the amount of Yugo trips I did, there were many but I,m sure there were guys on Pro,s that did more than me, Tookie and John"welly"Ward for example. One thing I will say about Yugo was In the 7 or 8 years I was doing Yugo I never had a single spot of aggravation. You had to understand their working system (early start,early finish) and fit in with it, also realise that nothing was going to get done quickly. Doing Belgrade regularly you inevitably finished up at the National for the weekend, it was like Promotors second office!. One thing that has always stuck in my memory was this. All the waiters there were called George as were we to them but there was one waiter there whose real name I cant remember but he was a Liverpool supporter and one trip I took him a Liverpool scarf, he was over the moon. Towards the end of the evening he came and sat with me and we had a serious conversation about the future. This was around the time that Tito was coming to the end of his life and the locals were fearing for their future. The one thing this guy said to me was we should look out for trouble from moslems in the future. Funny how things turn out isn,t it!

I think if you look very hard and with a little bit of imagination RF you can just make out the glass in Bobby’s right hand!

Ah !, thats the complete Bobby picture! females to the left and right,■■■ in hand and a part worn beer! Know what he,s up to now?