Any old promotor drivers around

sandway:

robert1952:

Vodka Cola Cowboy:

sandway:
I have just noticed the guy sitting on the wall in the red shirt is Dave “Little Dave” Lloyd of Promotor and the guy holding his arm up is George Stavaros from Larnaka, Cyprus. It was George’s company that built the stands for us at this exhibition.

Hi Sandway. Have you seen “Europe and beyond. early days” on Facebook. They would love your photos.

I’ve finished reading your book, Mick. A bloody good read! Cheers, Robert

Still waiting for my copy from Amazon. Don’t give the plot away!!

Hi Sandway. I have just heard from the publisher that Amazon have just ordered another 500 copies of the book. So, hopefully you will receive your copy soon. Let me know when it arrives.

Hi! Well im waiting to,can wait to get my hands on it!

Danne

Dirty Dan:
Hi! Well im waiting to,can wait to get my hands on it!

Danne

Who did you order it through Danne. I know that it is available in Finland and Norway through Adlibris.

Vodka Cola Cowboy:

Dirty Dan:
Hi! Well im waiting to,can wait to get my hands on it!

Danne

Who did you order it through Danne. I know that it is available in Finland and Norway through Adlibris.

Amazon,didnt know about the other one. But i wait no problem :smiley:

Dirty Dan:

Vodka Cola Cowboy:

Dirty Dan:
Hi! Well im waiting to,can wait to get my hands on it!

Danne

Who did you order it through Danne. I know that it is available in Finland and Norway through Adlibris.

Amazon,didnt know about the other one. But i wait no problem :smiley:

I know that Amazon have just ordered another 500 copies from the publisher.

Been a bit of aerial activity by Openreach contractors in the Dale recently then suddenly yesterday a green box appeared on a pole next to my gate post. Had a word with one of the chaps who said I will have fibre optic direct to my property within the next four weeks and that I will have a speed of about 330 meg!!! What the heck do I do with 330 meg. My old laptop will take off. Me with it no doubt. I’m just about managing with half a meg now and it was worse than that until last year.

How communications have changed. In 1979 I rang home to the UK from Baghdad. It took me three days to get through and then I was connected to a lady in south London at three in the morning. Bet her husband weren’t best pleased.

In June 1980 I was was in Koper waiting to catch the ferry to Tartous when I met Pepy and his son. Both French O/D’s on their way to Iraq. They had been doing trips to French territories way down in Africa but the work had dried up. Hence going to Iraq. I also met Leo Smith. He told me he was writing a book and I think he came from Cheltenham way. I know the “Colonel”? had posted something on TNUK about Leo back in 2008. Dunno if he was on OHS at that time. Perhaps OHS, being Turkish never used the ferries. Anyway, the Frenchies being French were heading out to gather mussels for an evening meal and Leo and I joined them. A great way to while away a few hours whilst waiting for your ferry. Couldn’t do that at Dover.

Talking about the ferries. The Swedish government handed out grants to shipyards to build ships in the late 70’s. Kockums in Malmo built three “Challenger Class” Ro-Ro ships under this scheme of which the Zenobia was the first one to enter service in 1979 on the Volos/Tartous route. The other two, Ariadne and Scandinavia entered service on the Koper/Tartous route when the business moved there in early 1980. The Ariadne was renamed Soca at this time. Zenobia also joined them in Koper, I am sure, as I have a photo of John Preece and Ned Kelly on board in March 1980. However, I have been on Wikipedia who say she sank on her maiden voyage off Larnaca on 7th June 1980. They are wrong. She was not on her maiden voyage and I am sure I did two trips on her. Thankfully not her last one though when she had problems with her computerised ballasting system. The same problems had arisen earlier in her short life when a lot of lorries were damaged. The service continued with the other two ships into 1982 when they were both sold to the Bulgarians.

Later on in about 1990 one of the two ships was sold again, I think it was the Soca, converted and renamed Stena Fantasia and put on the channel crossing out of Dover.

I would like to take this opportunity to say that I try to get the facts, i.e. dates, places, names of drivers and companies correct, but the little grey cells do let me down now and again. But not to often. Yet.

It’s strange how The Zenobia Disaster to me is one of those moments like “where were you when President Kennedy got shot”. We were parked up on the Bulgarian side at Kap Andreevo waiting to cross into Kapikule on the Saturday night. It had been my birthday the day before and I managed to pick up the B.B.C. World Service on the short wave radio that I just had fitted. I mentioned it to the other lads who were all experienced Middle East men as at the time it didn’t mean much to me. When we got into the Turkish side we mentioned it to some lads who were on their way home who said that they knew a couple of the drivers who were on it as they had been travelling with them the week before. When we arrived at The Mocamp in Istanbul late the following night, the place was buzzing with the news which was being shown on a black and white telly. Brits, Swedes, Finns and Austrians were all discussing who they thought were on it but the only name that meant anything to me was Maverton’s and a bloke called Cyril Burke. I never did find out if they were on it but unlike The Herald Of Free Enterprise, I never met anybody who had just missed it. :neutral_face:

Regards Steve.

mushroomman:
It’s strange how The Zenobia Disaster to me is one of those moments like “where were you when President Kennedy got shot”. We were parked up on the Bulgarian side at Kap Andreevo waiting to cross into Kapikule on the Saturday night. It had been my birthday the day before and I managed to pick up the B.B.C. World Service on the short wave radio that I just had fitted. I mentioned it to the other lads who were all experienced Middle East men as at the time it didn’t mean much to me. When we got into the Turkish side we mentioned it to some lads who were on their way home who said that they knew a couple of the drivers who were on it as they had been travelling with them the week before. When we arrived at The Mocamp in Istanbul late the following night, the place was buzzing with the news which was being shown on a black and white telly. Brits, Swedes, Finns and Austrians were all discussing who they thought were on it but the only name that meant anything to me was Maverton’s and a bloke called Cyril Burke. I never did find out if they were on it but unlike The Herald Of Free Enterprise, I never met anybody who had just missed it. :neutral_face:

Regards Steve.

Of course by googling Zenobia you can see that the wreck lying on the seabed off Larnaka has become one of the top diving sites in the world but its the haunting images of the lorries down there that I find fascinating. I few years back I read that one of the fridge boxes had broken free and come to the surface because it was buoyant due to being airtight. Dunno if thats possible though.

Hi Sandway,
I’ve never been on a ferry in my life! never been interested in going over the water, but a thank you for mentioning the Zenobia as I just googled it and had a bit of a read up, fascinating stuff and pictures, a few below, an interesting fact is Zenobia’s owners never submitted an insurance claim!, Cheer’s Pete

ZenobiaTruck004.jpg

A lot of those tyres still look inflated! :confused: Good pics though.

Pete. Thanks for putting on those haunting images of lorries consigned to the sea bed. I’m just pleased no Promotor lorry was on board that trip. I wonder how long it will be before they rust away completely.

As I said a few days ago Promotor drivers sailed on the Koper/Tartous ferries a number of times in 1980 and that Wikipedia says one of them, the Zenobia sank off Larnaka in June on her maiden voyage which is wrong. I have attached two photos. The first one shows Ned Kelly who may have driven for D & M McCrae (spelling) of Darlington with Promotors John Preece on board in March 1980. The second photo is of a" Do not smoke in bed" sign removed (oh the shame) from one of the Zenobia’s cabins.

I have been thinking back to that trip 36 years ago. Trying to kickstart the little grey cells. Looking at the very bad quality photo of Ned and John. Perhaps the Zenobia had already sunk! Perhaps they are ghosts, they certainly look strange. Who else would stand out on deck to have their picture taken in a raging storm!!! Well it had been rough the day before. NO no no! that can’t be the case. Thats my right arm showing in the photo above the Zenobia lifebelt and I still have it (my arm not the lifebelt).

Hi Sandway, as far as I remember I am sure that I saw Nick, alias Ned Kelly driving for Duncan Macree, Taffy Davies and A. Line, who was I think Audrey Davies, Taffies ex wife. Maybe M.and C. Jamie can remember Ned better than me. Two incidents about Ned sprang to mind when you mentioned his name the other day, one was when I met him once in The Mocamp in the air conditioned reception. I did write about it on here, I think I mentioned it on the Astran Thread many years ago and if you put in a search American Girl or Chapel Hat Pegs something may come up.
The other story is one that Ned himself told me so as regards to it being true you will have to make your own mind up but if you ever met Ned then you could well believe it.
Ned told me that he had left Aachen Nord, the West German border with Holland on his way to Zeebrugge. If you remember there was a stretch of Dutch motorway for about ten miles before you entered Belgium where there was no border post. Ned was clogging it along when all of a sudden a Dutch Police Force Porsche appeared from nowhere and pulled in front of him. Ned dropped his speed down but he said he knew that they had got him and just before the next layby the blue lights came on and one of the cops pointed into the layby. Ned followed them in and climbed down from his cab and he explained to me that this Porsche was a two seater open top and both the cops were wearing crash helmets. He said that both the cops were really nice guys, they asked him where he had been and sounded really interested in his trip to the Middle East. Ned started asking them questions about the Porsche and how fast it could go and one cop replied just a bit faster than you. Ned said, he thought that they had been too nice and was expecting to get a ticket when one cop said do you want a ride. He thought that they meant to the cop shop but he said where too and one cop said “oh back to the border post and then back here”. Nick said O.K. then and after putting on the crash helmet he got into the car and they sped off. The cop floored it and they were back at the layby within ten minutes.
Now I have always had my doubts about this but Ned was adamant that this story was true so I have always wondered that if it was true then he might of mentioned it to somebody else. So did anybody ever hear about this before, Ned Kelly and the Dutch Police car. :confused:

Hi there folk, been reading these old Promotor posts with interest! I was there from 75 to 87, Tony Graingers the name and I remember most of the guys you all refer to. I,ve got some names to include that have been missed.
From my early days…Brian Algate
Dave Clark
Johnny Bishop( worst Scania fuel figures ever thanks to the Euroshell get rich scheme…go figure!
Bobby Keen…useful drummer in his other life
Barry Chambers(or Chalmers) used to drive big D series Pantech
And there was a lad called Pierre who used to do car recovery with a single car transporter but he left soon after I started, In 75 when I joined there was no tractor available so I tended to drive rented Dafs from Penfolds or anything that needed a driver. My first serious job was down to Glyfada(Athens) with Chic Steadman and two trailers of racing cars, I drove the none sleeper Scania 80 and got slagged off for it from some of the more bolshy regulars, Terry Weeks for one! As it happened Chic was driving a 110 (SUC 19 N) which he and Brian Aldgate shared owing to the nature of their work. By chance when we got back Brian decided to leave and Chic decided to come off the road and Hey Presto! SUC became mine! Loved those early days at Promotor but like others have said it did get worse probably due to the firm getting bigger it became less of a family and more of a business We all had run-ins with Herr Stagg! He wasn,t the best man-manager I ever came across. There was one occasion I remember very well, there had been a few rumblings of discontent amongst the drivers after Stagg had been made up so having heard enough from us he arranged a meeting with PC then arranged one with us the next morning. Now this meeting took place in the workshop office and fortunately most of the drivers were there including one very intelligent, well educated guy called Dave Boulding from Tunbridge Wells. Staggy stormed into the room and opened the meeting with “I,ve had a meeting with Peter and we,ve reached an agreement on a few things and I can tell you now no ones job is safe anymore” then as quick as a flash Little Dave spoke out saying" I trust you include yourself in that last statement!" Well, everybody fell about laughing, all ecept the Stagg, he was fuming,red in the face, I thought he was going to burst!
Anyway back to business! Later on the company was joined by the likes of Sue Ashdown
Johnny Evans(her fella at the time!
Johnny Barclay (had plenty of laughs with him!)
Keith Reynolds(thought he was a dutchman,used to wear furry clogs,smoke
dutch roll-ups and broke into the occasional dutch accent!)
Carl Denherdt,(who had left earlier then reteurned, Yanky car mad)
Roger Graber ( the clipboard kid)
A quick word to Supercube, Hi Bobby! first job I did with you was a Ford collection from some disused airfield out Reading way. While waiting to get loaded you put me right on what you could and couldn,t get away with! Not sure but I think in the end there was only enough kit for one truck and one of us came back empty,not unusual for Pro,s in those days!
A quick word to Sandway, been scratching my head as to who you are but its beaten me!..Name yourself please!!

Nottsnortherner. What an informative and fascinating post about the early Promotor days. Thank you and I hope you can join in on this thread with any snippets of information however insignificant you may have. I hope to digest your post later especially the Dave Stagg element. I have my own take on him which I will post soon.
Again, many thanks and keep posting.

mushroomman:
Hi Sandway, as far as I remember I am sure that I saw Nick, alias Ned Kelly driving for Duncan Macree, Taffy Davies and A. Line, who was I think Audrey Davies, Taffies ex wife. Maybe M.and C. Jamie can remember Ned better than me. Two incidents about Ned sprang to mind when you mentioned his name the other day, one was when I met him once in The Mocamp in the air conditioned reception. I did write about it on here, I think I mentioned it on the Astran Thread many years ago and if you put in a search American Girl or Chapel Hat Pegs something may come up.
The other story is one that Ned himself told me so as regards to it being true you will have to make your own mind up but if you ever met Ned then you could well believe it.
Ned told me that he had left Aachen Nord, the West German border with Holland on his way to Zeebrugge. If you remember there was a stretch of Dutch motorway for about ten miles before you entered Belgium where there was no border post. Ned was clogging it along when all of a sudden a Dutch Police Force Porsche appeared from nowhere and pulled in front of him. Ned dropped his speed down but he said he knew that they had got him and just before the next layby the blue lights came on and one of the cops pointed into the layby. Ned followed them in and climbed down from his cab and he explained to me that this Porsche was a two seater open top and both the cops were wearing crash helmets. He said that both the cops were really nice guys, they asked him where he had been and sounded really interested in his trip to the Middle East. Ned started asking them questions about the Porsche and how fast it could go and one cop replied just a bit faster than you. Ned said, he thought that they had been too nice and was expecting to get a ticket when one cop said do you want a ride. He thought that they meant to the cop shop but he said where too and one cop said “oh back to the border post and then back here”. Nick said O.K. then and after putting on the crash helmet he got into the car and they sped off. The cop floored it and they were back at the layby within ten minutes.
Now I have always had my doubts about this but Ned was adamant that this story was true so I have always wondered that if it was true then he might of mentioned it to somebody else. So did anybody ever hear about this before, Ned Kelly and the Dutch Police car. :confused:

Mushroomman. I bow to your superior memory of times gone by especially of names either of people or places. I only met Ned Kelly once, albeit spread over the three and a half days we spent together on board the ferry homeward bound from Tartous. I can’t remember any of his little anecdotes or wild but perhaps true stories. However, I always thought our John Preece was one of the biggest Bull Sitters around. It was great to listen to John. He was a great comedian and loved telling his Bruce and Sheila Australian jokes. The corney one being; Hello Sheila, do you fancy a f—. Oh I see, well, do you mind laying down while I have one then. I also remember some of Johns stories but were they true or were they false.

He once told me of a trip he did to Athens with a lifeboat for a ship docked there. When he arrived the ship had sailed. John and his lorry were put on another ship and they followed the first one round a number of islands till they caught it up. Think this ones true.

That he was a partner in Seymours Transport, Maidstone when Peter Carroll and Hugh Thompson first started it up. Hugh Thompson went on to own Astran later. Think perhaps John worked for them in their early days.

He was empty and driving through Transylvania Romania late one evening when he slid off the road and down a bank ending up at a forty degree angle. He had to sit there all night until next morning when he walked to a farm for help. The farm provided a big farm tractor and labour who got John out and on his way. This was almost certainly true.

One weekend he was in Cluses in the Alps. He went out in the evening for a meal and a drink with some other drivers in someone else’s unit. He decided to walk back to his lorry but got arrested and thrown in jail for the night for being a bit tipsy. This was true cos he got me arrested as well. That story will need to be told sometime.

He loaded out of an exhibition venue in Istanbul one full load of stand fitting material which had originally gone down on three trailers. The remainder of the material, mainly wood, cloth and other disposable items were given to the Turkish Red Crescent. All the items where on ATA Carnets. When the customs found the goods missing they kept him there for three weeks till it was sorted. He then went up to Kapic where he had the same problem. He was there another three weeks. The company flew him home as it was Christmas but it was one long job that one. This story was true.

He told me he once tried to drive a thousand miles in a twenty four hour period. It was up the tapline in Saudi. He just failed. Yes, I think thats true.

And lastly, for now, he once told me he was in Baghdad for the fair where he fought three rounds with the Iraqi boxing champion putting him on his back and humiliating him!!! Now John didn’t know but I had proof he was telling porkies here. If you look at the attached photo you can see clearly who ended up on their back. This story was definitely false.

Thanks Sandway, it’s amazing how somebody like yourself mentions something that happened thirty odd years ago and straight away it triggers off a similar story that also happened to me, does this ever happen to anybody else ?
By the way, I also remember that Ned had a dry Yorkshire sense of humour.
Now that you have just mentioned it I remember that we also had an Aussie working at Dow from their Swindon depot who we all called Bruce. No, I don’t know if it was his real name but he always wore a pair of Flip Flops (a.k.a. Australian Desert Wellies) and he used to display a stuffed Kangaroo on his dashboard. I think that I only met up with him twice and he seemed like a decent guy.
We were both in Dover, homeward bound waiting to clear customs and Bruce was panicking a bit because his mother was flying from Oz to Heathrow on her own and she had never been out of the small town where she was born. She was five hours away from landing and Bruce phoned up Phil Vernon the Swindon manager who said that the first one of us to clear was to swop trailers with Bruce. As luck would have it Bruce was the first one cleared but he didn’t have enough time to get up to Swindon to pick up his car and get back down to Heathrow. So Bruce drove to one of the airport cargo areas at Heathrow, dropped his trailer and drove around to the terminal in his tractor unit to pick up his mum. :smiley:
It must of worked out O.K. because two weeks later somebody saw him in Izmir with his mum and I wouldn’t of been surprised if they hadn’t stopped off at The A.N.Z.A.C. cemetery at Gallipoli before they caught The Cannakeli Ferry.

I was at that Baghdad Fair with Martin Hudson and Phil Pugsley from Bannon. Phil was driving the MHC exhibiton unit with a day cab Bedford TM with straight six Detroit.
Promotor brought several Coles Cranes and their exhibition unit which I think was based on a Leyland Royal Tiger Worldmaster chassis?

Jazzandy:
I was at that Baghdad Fair with Martin Hudson and Phil Pugsley from Bannon. Phil was driving the MHC exhibiton unit with a day cab Bedford TM with straight six Detroit.
Promotor brought several Coles Cranes and their exhibition unit which I think was based on a Leyland Royal Tiger Worldmaster chassis?

Bannon’s Phil Pugsley and our Chick Steadman got on well together. Both site reps, they often worked on the same commie block shows together. They were both ex marines and enjoyed sharing a bottle of Scotlands finest together. Phil was married to a young Bulgarian lady whom he treated badly. One day one of our drivers threatened to fill him in if he didn’t stop swearing and cursing her. Although I disliked Phil as a person I did respect him as he was a bull of a man who could get the job done whatever was thrown at him. Vey much like Chic.