I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
It depends on if you have ‘fixed hours’ or are on ‘shifts’. I.e does your contract have a set working time each day or just a number of hours?
If your fixed hours, they must pay you your contracted hours at your contracted rate- I.e 15 hours at full pay, but not overtime (but you say you don’t get any anyway).
If your on shifts- so different start/finish times each day/week then they must pay you at the standard full rate for the average number of hours you worked in the last 12 weeks.
Whilst you can have a contract that says you’re paid 75 hours, you can’t have one that demands hours beyond the 48 average, lest it be bent.
A 50 hour once presumably takes into account some 20 days stat leave - implying the firm pays holiday pay, of which they are only obliged to pay you 8 hours per day off - not even 10.
I assume the average hourly rate is around minimum wage as well… Thus, the "upto 15 hour ‘daily’ rate is around £100. £500 gross for a 5-day week sounds good, until you realise that you’re working more than double the hours of a standard 36-hour per week bod elsewhere…
Just a way of getting more hours out of people on low hourly rates. Not good. Saying “It’s a great job and I enjoy it” is all very well, but I could say the same about being a Gigolo or gangster’s Chauffeur… You’ll need some damned good perks to make you enjoy the job essentially, wall-to-wall women being that perk in my two examples.
Race Trucker:
It depends on if you have ‘fixed hours’ or are on ‘shifts’. I.e does your contract have a set working time each day or just a number of hours?
If your fixed hours, they must pay you your contracted hours at your contracted rate- I.e 15 hours at full pay, but not overtime (but you say you don’t get any anyway).
If your on shifts- so different start/finish times each day/week then they must pay you at the standard full rate for the average number of hours you worked in the last 12 weeks.
If the first 15 hours a day are “straight time”, then to get overtime, it would presumably be from 15:01 onwards in the same day.
Now for those doubters who reckon I’m wrong about “75 hours a week contract being bent” might like to look at this above scenario, and argue the same thing…
Once you’ve been on duty for 15:01, you are TOTALLY bent, paid or not. Chances are, you’ll be popping your card so you can do stuff like paperwork & debrief on your own time to get around it. Not good again is it?
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
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Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
It’s a double manned shift so I can do up 21 hours. I usually do 14 hours a day, then have ten hours off then back in. The company’s spot on with drivers hours etc so its all legal
And ten pound an hour■■? You crazy■■? This is general haulage! None of this supermarket pish hahahahahaha but I’m on roughly 30 grand a year so it’s not to bad
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
E
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
E
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
+1 Definitely sounds iffy here too
Why does it sound iffy?
as stated 60 hour working week now if my maths is right 70 is higher than 60 therefore breaking the law
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
E
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
+1 Definitely sounds iffy here too
Why does it sound iffy?
as stated 60 hour working week now if my maths is right 70 is higher than 60 therefore breaking the law
75 hrs minus breaks/POA, on containers you could still be well under 48 hrs work per week! Plus he is double manning.
As far as I know, “double manning” does not entitle anyone to reduce their daily rest more than the standard 3 times a week below 11 hours. If you are at work sitting in the passenger seat, even if asleep, it’s unlikely you’ll get even a split daily rest in anyways. Being doubled manned is great for getting around the 4.5 hours/9-10 hours driving, but useless at getting around the “too many hours at work” issues. POA wasn’t put there to assist firms getting drivers to run bent. It isn’t supposed to be a management tool - just some flexibility for drivers, so they can get around prolonged periods of waiting during what would normally be a reasonable length shift, occasionally becoming a long one - NOT every damned day as ‘standard contract’ FFS!
Winseer:
As far as I know, “double manning” does not entitle anyone to reduce their daily rest more than the standard 3 times a week below 11 hours. If you are at work sitting in the passenger seat, even if asleep, it’s unlikely you’ll get even a split daily rest in anyways. Being doubled manned is great for getting around the 4.5 hours/9-10 hours driving, but useless at getting around the “too many hours at work” issues. POA wasn’t put there to assist firms getting drivers to run bent. It isn’t supposed to be a management tool - just some flexibility for drivers, so they can get around prolonged periods of waiting during what would normally be a reasonable length shift, occasionally becoming a long one - NOT every damned day as ‘standard contract’ FFS!
Double manned only require 9 hours daily rest at all times.
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
E
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
+1 Definitely sounds iffy here too
Why does it sound iffy?
as stated 60 hour working week now if my maths is right 70 is higher than 60 therefore breaking the law
Yeah, ya maths is spot on fella! 60 hours is the max you can work, not the max you can be at work getting paid.
Saying “It’s a great job and I enjoy it” is all very well, but I could say the same about being a Gigolo or gangster’s Chauffeur… You’ll need some damned good perks to make you enjoy the job essentially, wall-to-wall women being that perk in my two examples. 
