Sploom:
I did the advanced test because I had an idea to become a driving instructor, I soon realised I wasn’t cut out for that job.
I wasn’t that difficult, you have to keep moving briskly, and use the second lane if that means making progress, you’re allowed up to six minors.
Does not sound like a civilian course? Are we talking military?
No, this is what was involved, part one is the advanced theory test, part two is advanced driving and part three, that’s where the instructor plays the role of a pupil, and you need to prove you can teach someone to drive in the correct way, I failed it twice and then gave up, it’s not easy to become a driving instructor, I decided it wasn’t for me
Ah ok. RTITB maybe?
I’m not sure, it was 13 years ago, I don’t even have the certificate, I don’t know why I bothered, it’s such a stressful thing to take on, teaching someone to drive, definitely not my cup of tea, and it’s not as if you’re going to earn any more than a trucker, of course they promise you the earth to get you signed up for the training course, they make it sound so easy
DF40:
Sorry I forgot you are ALWAYS correct & everyone else is wrong.
If you did read my posts on this thread, like you like to tell everyone else to do. You might’ve cottoned on to fact I work in emergency services.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Get off your high horse & stop getting yourself worked up.
robroy:
Well, If I AM a bad driver Jake, I will soon know that when I’m regularly getting nicked, increasing my licence points level, and running into things on a regular basis.
Yep, What a pity I didn’t keep stressing on this thread about not professing to be any better a driver than anybody else, this could have been embarrassing eh?
Oh…hang on a minute.
I’m not sure, it was 13 years ago, I don’t even have the certificate, I don’t know why I bothered, it’s such a stressful thing to take on, teaching someone to drive, definitely not my cup of tea, and it’s not as if you’re going to earn any more than a trucker, of course they promise you the earth to get you signed up for the training course, they make it sound so easy
I feel your pain, I felt exactly the same the first time I swopped with the trainer and had to instruct him. Yeah not as easy as it sounds. Even a lot of what you say can be misinterpreted if you are not careful but after intensive training it got easier. I am sure Rog will back me up on that one.
Certainly not for everyone but I am glad I stuck it out because I gained a lot of experience in different fields and did earn more that the average trucker.
Not sure if the links will work but a quick 2 minute search produced these figures, given how many journeys are made by HGV’s compared to Police cars on blue lights perhaps the police are not as safe as some would assume
It’s a pity everyone has to pick on everyone elses bad driving. Lorry drivers hate car drivers and cyclists. Car drivers hate lorry drivers and cyclists. Cyclists hate every driver.
Everone criticises everone elses driving when maybe they should have a good look at their own and driving stands then may improve but I won’t hold my breath.
jakethesnake:
Lorry drivers hate car drivers and cyclists.
Bit of a…
Generalisation. I don’t hate anyone on the road. I do have sweary moments when someone is acting like a doofus around me but after the incident it’s sit back, resume cruise and get on with updating my Fakebook status.
i did the iam training, yes I picked up a few things, but what I feel let the course down was one older driver who was fine with every thing they taught or advised was asked to leave the course as he did not feel safe constantly driving at the maximum limit on a local dual carriage way, they as a whole thought he was unsafe not being able to use the speed for the making progress mantra, after this I did the safed fuel saving training as an instructor, adviser this I found to be useful as after telling the drivers I was not here to teach them to drive merely to show them how the truck handled / performed by slight adjustments in their approach verified on the day by the fuel figures, and no loss of time, luckily my own driving jobs did not involve tight time schedules,
jakethesnake: I’m not sure, it was 13 years ago, I don’t even have the certificate, I don’t know why I bothered, it’s such a stressful thing to take on, teaching someone to drive, definitely not my cup of tea, and it’s not as if you’re going to earn any more than a trucker, of course they promise you the earth to get you signed up for the training course, they make it sound so easy
I feel your pain, I felt exactly the same the first time I swopped with the trainer and had to instruct him. Yeah not as easy as it sounds. Even a lot of what you say can be misinterpreted if you are not careful but after intensive training it got easier. I am sure Rog will back me up on that one.
Certainly not for everyone but I am glad I stuck it out because I gained a lot of experience in different fields and did earn more that the average trucker.
Yes, sure, it’s nice to be your own boss as well, work when and where you want to.
jakethesnake:
Lorry drivers hate car drivers and cyclists.
Bit of a…
Generalisation. I don’t hate anyone on the road. I do have sweary moments when someone is acting like a doofus around me but after the incident it’s sit back, resume cruise and get on with updating my Fakebook status.
Not sure if the links will work but a quick 2 minute search produced these figures, given how many journeys are made by HGV’s compared to Police cars on blue lights perhaps the police are not as safe as some would assume
It’s a pity everyone has to pick on everyone elses bad driving. Lorry drivers hate car drivers and cyclists. Car drivers hate lorry drivers and cyclists. Cyclists hate every driver.
Everone criticises everone elses driving when maybe they should have a good look at their own and driving stands then may improve but I won’t hold my breath.
I’m not picking on anyone else’s driving just putting up some stats that show that maybe show that the police aren’t as safe as people think, good and bad in all types of people using the roads but your sweeping statements are hardly based on fact and all HGV drivers will drive another form of transport and so can get the perspective from the other side whereas only a small number of other drivers drive HGVs
I was a Driving Assessor at one time,did the courses etc etc it surprising how many “drivers” thought they knew it all and could not understand why they failed.
Some of the things they failed for.
lack of pre-driving checks
not using the correct gear to pull away
pushing the rev counter into the red in every gear,
crossing their arms when turning,
lack of mirror use,especially nearside
last minute / heavy braking,
lack of distance from a vehicle in front,
not allowing enough room on turning corners
one hand driving
Things most Drivers have done without being aware we have done them or do them
Ring any bells for anybody
lolipop:
I was a Driving Assessor at one time,did the courses etc etc it surprising how many “drivers” thought they knew it all and could not understand why they failed.
Some of the things they failed for.
lack of pre-driving checks
not using the correct gear to pull away
pushing the rev counter into the red in every gear,
crossing their arms when turning,
lack of mirror use,especially nearside
last minute / heavy braking,
lack of distance from a vehicle in front,
not allowing enough room on turning corners
one hand driving
Things most Drivers have done without being aware we have done them or do them
Ring any bells for anybody
I agree with most of what you say lolipop however I suppose we are all trained slightly differently. When it came to assessments the way we were taught was as long as it was safe it was fine.
eg steering they could cross their hands as long as the vehicle was under control. The rest were fairly common, wrong gear for the situation, last minute braking, not keeping a safe distance ( very common ) and poor road positioning was fairly regular.
But I totally agree the number of drivers that though they were the bees knees before was incredible.
About crossing your arms when turning, i was in a class at a truck skid pan and the instructor said when you need to turn the wheel quickly this is the fastest way. But having said that i was told by the driving instructor when i got my licence that if you couldn’t turn the wheel quick enough using the push pull method then you were going too fast but i guess they’re two different scenarios.
Sure advanced driving also teaches you when overtaking on a motorway to wait until you are well clear of the vehicle you are passing, so they’ve got enough stopping distance before moving back in. A HUGE amount of truck drivers would benefit from that particular lesson. Even robroy might agree on that one.
idrive:
Let’s just remember the victim in all of this, poor old Mrs jakethesnake.
She has no ignore button and will probably bump him off in his sleep one night after one lecture too many
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the poor woman probably gives him a cuppa in this if he is a similar fanny in reality.
lolipop:
I was a Driving Assessor at one time,did the courses etc etc it surprising how many “drivers” thought they knew it all and could not understand why they failed.
Some of the things they failed for.
lack of pre-driving checks
not using the correct gear to pull away
pushing the rev counter into the red in every gear,
crossing their arms when turning,
lack of mirror use,especially nearside
last minute / heavy braking,
lack of distance from a vehicle in front,
not allowing enough room on turning corners
one hand driving
Things most Drivers have done without being aware we have done them or do them
Ring any bells for anybody
I agree with most of what you say lolipop however I suppose we are all trained slightly differently. When it came to assessments the way we were taught was as long as it was safe it was fine.
eg steering they could cross their hands as long as the vehicle was under control. The rest were fairly common, wrong gear for the situation, last minute braking, not keeping a safe distance ( very common ) and poor road positioning was fairly regular.
But I totally agree the number of drivers that though they were the bees knees before was incredible.
Ffs …you would have to be pretty ■■■■ stupid to attend a driving assessment and not adjust your everyday style of driving.
I am guilty of 2 of those ‘‘bad habits’’, …one hand driving ( shock horror I do it all the time) and crossing arms.
We all build up habits that are not necessarilly the proper way of doing things, but do doing it on an assessment?..they deserved to fail it for their stupidity I reckon…you are there to impress and achieve a pass of some sort.
A long time ago, when I had about only 10yrs experience driving trucks, I went for a job as a Hgv driving instructor,.I passed the interview, the initial assessment, and a mock driving test, and a second assesment, .all of which I was on my best behaviour, and drove to the book,… also using things like exaggerated head movements to let the examiner know for sure I was regularly checking mirrors, it is only common sense…or so I would have thought.
remy:
About crossing your arms when turning, i was in a class at a truck skid pan and the instructor said when you need to turn the wheel quickly this is the fastest way. But having said that i was told by the driving instructor when i got my licence that if you couldn’t turn the wheel quick enough using the push pull method then you were going too fast but i guess they’re two different scenarios.
I did the skid pan without crossing my arms = seriously
The instructor had never seen that done before
lolipop:
I was a Driving Assessor at one time,did the courses etc etc it surprising how many “drivers” thought they knew it all and could not understand why they failed.
Some of the things they failed for.
lack of pre-driving checks
not using the correct gear to pull away
pushing the rev counter into the red in every gear,
crossing their arms when turning,
lack of mirror use,especially nearside
last minute / heavy braking,
lack of distance from a vehicle in front,
not allowing enough room on turning corners
one hand driving
Things most Drivers have done without being aware we have done them or do them
Ring any bells for anybody
I agree with most of what you say lolipop however I suppose we are all trained slightly differently. When it came to assessments the way we were taught was as long as it was safe it was fine.
eg steering they could cross their hands as long as the vehicle was under control. The rest were fairly common, wrong gear for the situation, last minute braking, not keeping a safe distance ( very common ) and poor road positioning was fairly regular.
But I totally agree the number of drivers that though they were the bees knees before was incredible.
Ffs …you would have to be pretty ■■■■ stupid to attend a driving assessment and not adjust your everyday style of driving.
I am guilty of 2 of those ‘‘bad habits’’, …one hand driving ( shock horror I do it all the time) and crossing arms.
We all build up habits that are not necessarilly the proper way of doing things, but do doing it on an assessment?..they deserved to fail it for their stupidity I reckon…you are there to impress and achieve a pass of some sort.
A long time ago, when I had about only 10yrs experience driving trucks, I went for a job as a Hgv driving instructor,.I passed the interview, the initial assessment, and a mock driving test, and a second assesment, .all of which I was on my best behaviour, and drove to the book,… also using things like exaggerated head movements to let the examiner know for sure I was regularly checking mirrors, it is only common sense…or so I would have thought.
Again, missing the point. An assessment is not a driving test, they are done for different reasons. During an assessment it is not reasonable to expect an experienced driver to drive exactly as he did however many years ago on a test. For someone who has been crossing his arms for years then suddenly has to change to push and pull would obviously disturb concentration on more important issues. Don’t have a go at me , that is what I was taught by a very reputable training authority.
remy:
About crossing your arms when turning, i was in a class at a truck skid pan and the instructor said when you need to turn the wheel quickly this is the fastest way. But having said that i was told by the driving instructor when i got my licence that if you couldn’t turn the wheel quick enough using the push pull method then you were going too fast but i guess they’re two different scenarios.
I did the skid pan without crossing my arms = seriously
The instructor had never seen that done before
I was trained as a skid instructor and the way we always taught was…if you got into a skid quite obviously you do everything you can do get out of it whether that means crossing hands or push and pull is down to the individual which ever way they can steer most quickly.(and either way it unlikely to be quick enough in a real life situation) A little different on a big wide area!
Of course the emphasis was to drive not to get into a skid in the first place.
Most Police drivers will use push and pull for quick steering (or they used to)
…you would have to be pretty ■■■■ stupid to attend a driving assessment and not adjust your everyday style of driving.
shock horror I do it all the time) and crossing arms.