need to pick the brains of the tacho masters,
I,ve started doing a different shift which incoporates some warehouse work, basically what i do is approx 3 hours warehouse work then a night trunk, the driving is approx 1.5 hours driving time there and 1.5 hours back, what I have been doing is the warehouse work, then drive the first part get tipped then set back but pull over fairly soon for a break… is this ok?
The correct procedure if using an analogue tacho is to manually mark on the rear of the Tacho your other work (Warehouse Work) then insert your tacho, if using a Digital tacho I believe you enter the info manually.
For example you start work at 6:00pm but dont start driving until 9:00pm, simply draw a line on the reverse of the tacho denoting other work from 6:00pm until 9:00pm
The WTD states you need a minimum of 30 mins break after 6 hrs so basically if your only doing 6 hrs I.E 3 hrs + 1.5 hrs + 1.5 hrs then your okay, if your exceeding the 6 hrs then by rights you should be taking 30 minutes once the 6 hrs is reached. In all fairness though, if your only about 30 mins from base when reaching 6 hrs, I cant see a problem with you getting back to base before taking the 30 minute rest as your not exceeding any driving regs.
I suppose it could be argued in your case that the legislation states something like, if you work 6 hrs you must have a 30 minute break, it doesn’t exactly stipulate that you Must not exceed 6 hrs work before taking a break.
No doubt somebody else might interpret the WTD in a different manner 
Personally, If it was me I’d just do the same as you or take the break when I got back to the yard
dle1uk:
need to pick the brains of the tacho masters,I,ve started doing a different shift which incoporates some warehouse work, basically what i do is approx 3 hours warehouse work then a night trunk, the driving is approx 1.5 hours driving time there and 1.5 hours back, what I have been doing is the warehouse work, then drive the first part get tipped then set back but pull over fairly soon for a break… is this ok?
Don’t see why it shouldn’t be OK, the warehouse work should be booked as other work, presumably you’re complying with the 6 hour rule and don’t do enough driving to go over the driving hours so from what you’ve posted it seems fine
yep as I thought, thanks for the replies!
will carry on taking my break after tipping, mainly as at times when I get back to the yard it stands a chance that I will be doing either warehouse/forklift work till all wagons are loaded…
cheers guys
the way i read it ur doing 3 hrs other work then 1.5 hrs driving then tipping and then another 1.5 driving
so to me it would depend on how long ur at the other depot
as the way i understand wtd it says u must have a 30 min break within the 6 hours or a 45 if ur workin upto 9 hours
farmer:
the way i read it ur doing 3 hrs other work then 1.5 hrs driving then tipping and then another 1.5 drivingso to me it would depend on how long ur at the other depot
as the way i understand wtd it says u must have a 30 min break within the 6 hours or a 45 if ur workin upto 9 hours
I read it as he pulled over shortly after setting off on the return journey
Davey Driver:
The WTD states you need a minimum of 30 mins break after 6 hrs so basically if your only doing 6 hrs I.E 3 hrs + 1.5 hrs + 1.5 hrs then your okay, if your exceeding the 6 hrs then by rights you should be taking 30 minutes once the 6 hrs is reached. In all fairness though, if your only about 30 mins from base when reaching 6 hrs, I cant see a problem with you getting back to base before taking the 30 minute rest as your not exceeding any driving regs.I suppose it could be argued in your case that the legislation states something like, if you work 6 hrs you must have a 30 minute break, it doesn’t exactly stipulate that you Must not exceed 6 hrs work before taking a break.
No doubt somebody else might interpret the WTD in a different manner
Personally, If it was me I’d just do the same as you or take the break when I got back to the yard
I and several other members here would certainly interpret the WTD regulations in a different manner
The WTD regulations most certainly do specify that you should have a break before exceeding 6 hours working time 
But there’s no regulation that says you should have a 30 minute break as soon as you’ve reached 6 hours, the wtd regulations state that you should not work longer than 6 hours before having a break of at least 15 minutes, if your total working time is between 6 and 9 hours you should have a total of at least 30 minutes break, if your working time exceeds 9 hours then you should have a total of at least 45 minutes break, but this can be split into parts of at least 15 minutes each, if you choose to split the break then the first 15 minutes should be before you exceed 6 hours working time.
farmer:
as the way i understand wtd it says u must have a 30 min break within the 6 hours
It says you must have a break before exceeding 6 hours work, it doesn’t specify how many minutes that break must be. However, as the minimum amount of time which qualifies as a break under the WTD is 15 minutes it follows that the break will have to be at least that long.
farmer:
or a 45 if ur workin upto 9 hours
Total of 30 minutes for working time of up to 9 hours, 45 minutes is for more than 9 hours.
Why do so many say that 30 mins is required at the 6 hour point when there is no regulation that says that 
Is there something in the WTD regs that makes people think this
dle1uk:
need to pick the brains of the tacho masters,I,ve started doing a different shift which incoporates some warehouse work, basically what i do is approx 3 hours warehouse work then a night trunk, the driving is approx 1.5 hours driving time there and 1.5 hours back, what I have been doing is the warehouse work, then drive the first part get tipped then set back but pull over fairly soon for a break… is this ok?
I would say stick a 15-minute break in before driving back, or during the journey, and another before the end of the shift and it will fine. I am assuming you do go over 6 hours as 3 hours warehouse + 2x1.5 driving + loading, unloading or trailer swaps and pre trip vehicle checks looks like more than 6 hours to me. What do you do when you return to base, more warehouse work or do you clock off? If you are clocking off you would be better to take a 30 minutes break instead of the 15 as you cannot take a break at the end of the shift. If you do some more work you can take the second 15 before the end of the shift, it doesn’t sound as if you will clock over 9 hours work so probably won’t need breaks totalling 45 minutes.
ROG:
Why do so many say that 30 mins is required at the 6 hour point when there is no regulation that says thatIs there something in the WTD regs that makes people think this
its how our trainer explained it to us
mind u he dosent know what hes doing any way so why we listen to him i dont know
ROG:
Why do so many say that 30 mins is required at the 6 hour point when there is no regulation that says that
No idea ROG, I think they are just repeating what they have been told without checking or reading the actual regulations
ROG:
Is there something in the WTD regs that makes people think this
Not as far as I can see, the section on breaks is very short and very clear so I’m not sure where they get it from.
Breaks
7. - (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
This bit lays down the maximum time you can work without a break, but makes no mention of how long that break must be
(2) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.
This bit lays down the total amount of break required for a shift with between 6 and 9 hours of work, but does not stipulate when that must be taken, other than not right at the end of the shift, because you cannot interrupt something at the end.(3) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 45 minutes and interrupting that period.
This bit lays down the total amount of break for a shift with over 9 hours work but again does not stipulate when that must be taken, other than not right at the end of the shift(4) Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each.
And this bit informs us that any period of more than 15 minutes qualifies as a break for the WTD
That’s it as far as breaks are concerned and nowhere in Section 7, or any other section, does it state a break of 30 minutes is required at, or before, 6 hours, and if it was required it would have to say as much.
Section 7 (1) doesn’t say how long the break must be and I can only assume they are then going to 7 (2) for the answer when in fact they should be looking at 7 (4). Section 7 (2) is about total break, not when during the shift it must be taken, only Section 7 (1) gives an actual time as to when a break must be taken. The worker may not know at the 6 hour point how many hours work will be in their shift so won’t know if Section 7 (2) or 7 (3) will apply.
Look at it this way.
7 (1) = When?
7 (2) = How Much in Total for 6 - 9 Hours Work?
7 (3) = How Much in Total for 9+ Hours Work?
7 (4) = How Long is a Break?
7 (1) + 7 (4) = Break Required at 6 Hours, not 7 (1) + 7 (2)/(3).
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Why do so many say that 30 mins is required at the 6 hour point when there is no regulation that says thatLook at it this way.
7 (1) + 7 (4) = Break Required at 6 Hours, not 7 (1) + 7 (2)/(3).
Well that’s simplified the 6 hour rule then 
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Why do so many say that 30 mins is required at the 6 hour point when there is no regulation that says thatLook at it this way.
7 (1) + 7 (4) = Break Required at 6 Hours, not 7 (1) + 7 (2)/(3).
Well that’s simplified the 6 hour rule then
It’s already about as simple as it could be, and it doesn’t seem to work, so I thought I would take it the other way.
Perhaps they should have put 7(4) after 7(1) 
ROG:
Perhaps they should have put 7(4) after 7(1)
Perhaps, but then a different lot of nonsense would likely have emerged.
I know the Hour Guards were programmed to warn of the 6 hrs being reached using Driving time and Other work totals, but as I aint an expert on the WTD I suppose its just as well that I got the software writer to read through the Legislations before writing the program 
I’ve got to admit though, it’s a bugger when a Chinese guy understands the WTD better than me Lol
I stand corrected 
Davey Driver:
it’s a bugger when a Chinese guy understands the WTD better than me Lol
Maybe you are on to something, the EU could get a Chinese guy to do the next re-write of the rules then folk might find it easier to understand.
Davey Driver:
it’s a bugger when a Chinese guy understands the WTD better than me Lol
Coffeeholic:
Maybe you are on to something, the EU could get a Chinese guy to do the next re-write of the rules then folk might find it easier to understand.
Not a bad idea - then most of the time I could be WONG instead of WRONG …