Alfa1M:
This is something I can’t find a definitive answer for and not something that’s been a issue in the past because I’ve always took a 45 in one go.
So I’ve drove for 2hrs and stick it on a 15 mins break whilst waiting in queue for a tip.
I can then drive 2.5 before I need minimum half hour.
"Yes "
So I’ve had that half hour, 31mins to be exact and my timer has reset to 00h00.
BUT in between my 15 and 30 I drove for 2.5 hrs. So does this mean I need another 30 after my tacho is reading 2hrs . Or can I go to 4.5hrs?
"You can go to 4.5 hours or just split like before "
Probably a simple question I should know, but I don’t…
As I’ve done 2.5 driving since completing a 15 break , half hour break and then 4.5 driving. So technically 7hrs driving whilst only having a 30 Min break
Yes, I think you are. Once you have taken a full 45 minute break (either in one go or split 15 + 30 as you did) then the driving time clock is reset to zero and you can drive another full 4.5 hours without a break.
As I’ve done 2.5 driving since completing a 15 break , half hour break and then 4.5 driving. So technically 7hrs driving whilst only having a 30 Min break
Am I just thinking too much into this?
You can in fact drive for 1 minute then have a 15 min break then drive for 4.29 hrs then stop for a 30 break then drive for 4.30 hrs before needing another 45 therefore driving 8.59 hrs with only a 30 min break.
No logic involved ! A few years ago it would have been an offence to work those hours. It used to be that any/all driving periods totalling 4-30 were examined on a rolling basis, it’s now on a fixed basis. The second break of 30min resets the clock.
One minute driving 15 min break. 4-29 driving 30min break. You’re now clear to go 4-30 again.
Franglais:
No logic involved ! A few years ago it would have been an offence to work those hours. It used to be that any/all driving periods totalling 4-30 were examined on a rolling basis, it’s now on a fixed basis. The second break of 30min resets the clock.
One minute driving 15 min break. 4-29 driving 30min break. You’re now clear to go 4-30 again.
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Wiping the slate clean was Indeed an offence, but not everywhere in the country, the department of transport accepted it, but one or 2 police forces didn’t and drivers ended up in court and getting done for it even though they where advised by the DfT it was legal, but in the end decided to accept the police interpretation of it, it took the European Courts to decide which interpretation was right.
Maybe this is one of the reasons why DVSA have a disclaimer on the their interpretation of the drivers hours booklet, to cover them if they have it wrong. (AGAIN)
That is the answer to the only dumb question regarding tacho’s
Every other question is proving you’re intelligent enough to ask when unsure about something that could potentially get you fined, points or even dismissed, so no, there is no such thing (other than my first example) of a dumb question. though I’m sure this special lot are gonna come back with a whole bucket load of them now just to prove me wrong…
Reef:
so no, there is no such thing (other than my first example) of a dumb question. though I’m sure this special lot are gonna come back with a whole bucket load of them now just to prove me wrong…
Is it OK to use my mate’s card if I forget mine once in a while??
Reef:
so no, there is no such thing (other than my first example) of a dumb question. though I’m sure this special lot are gonna come back with a whole bucket load of them now just to prove me wrong… [emoji38]
Is it OK to use my mate’s card if I forget mine once in a while?? [emoji38] [emoji38]
No, your employer should have a “company card” which you can use in that situation.
Franglais:
No logic involved ! A few years ago it would have been an offence to work those hours. It used to be that any/all driving periods totalling 4-30 were examined on a rolling basis, it’s now on a fixed basis. The second break of 30min resets the clock.
One minute driving 15 min break. 4-29 driving 30min break. You’re now clear to go 4-30 again.
From memory the definitive court case regarding wiping the slate clean v calculated over a rolling period was more than a ‘few years ago’ ?.
It’s just another part of the whole confusing,contradictory,mess of split breaks and split daily rest and extended driving time and reduced daily rest which does nothing to improve safety more like the opposite.When 12 hours unbroken minimum daily rest and 1 hour minimum break after 5.5 hours duty,with no split break/rest,or reductions,or seperate driving time limits,would fix it.
Many years ago the regs allowed you to have bre aks the other way round or even have it in 15 min segments but then someone saw the drivers having a1 min drive followed by a 30 min break followed by 4:29 driving followed by a 15 min break then a 4:30 drive so the regs were quickly changed that the 2nd break had to be a min 30 to reset the driving time.
I think that was sept 86 or 89
nick2008:
Many years ago the regs allowed you to have bre aks the other way round or even have it in 15 min segments but then someone saw the drivers having a1 min drive followed by a 30 min break followed by 4:29 driving followed by a 15 min break then a 4:30 drive so the regs were quickly changed that the 2nd break had to be a min 30 to reset the driving time.
I think that was sept 86 or 89
Reef:
so no, there is no such thing (other than my first example) of a dumb question. though I’m sure this special lot are gonna come back with a whole bucket load of them now just to prove me wrong… [emoji38]
Is it OK to use my mate’s card if I forget mine once in a while?? [emoji38] [emoji38]
No, your employer should have a “company card” which you can use in that situation.
nick2008:
Many years ago the regs allowed you to have bre aks the other way round or even have it in 15 min segments but then someone saw the drivers having a1 min drive followed by a 30 min break followed by 4:29 driving followed by a 15 min break then a 4:30 drive so the regs were quickly changed that the 2nd break had to be a min 30 to reset the driving time.
I think that was sept 86 or 89
Didn’t have to be 30 15, 25 20 was also legal.
I know I just did a simple example , left me glasses in the car
Them were the days with 2 or more log books
nick2008:
Many years ago the regs allowed you to have bre aks the other way round or even have it in 15 min segments but then someone saw the drivers having a1 min drive followed by a 30 min break followed by 4:29 driving followed by a 15 min break then a 4:30 drive so the regs were quickly changed that the 2nd break had to be a min 30 to reset the driving time.
I think that was sept 86 or 89
Didn’t have to be 30 15, 25 20 was also legal.
I know I just did a simple example , left me glasses in the car
Them were the days with 2 or more log books
Never had the logbooks, but was shown what to do with a wire by some mad heads from Barnsley
Reef:
so no, there is no such thing (other than my first example) of a dumb question. though I’m sure this special lot are gonna come back with a whole bucket load of them now just to prove me wrong…
Is it OK to use my mate’s card if I forget mine once in a while??
Yes, as long as you don’t plan on driving commercially for the next twenty years.
Franglais:
No logic involved ! A few years ago it would have been an offence to work those hours. It used to be that any/all driving periods totalling 4-30 were examined on a rolling basis, it’s now on a fixed basis.
A few years ago? Certainly not in the 25 years I’ve been driving. The only change there has ever been is not being able to take three 15 minutes and the last break of a split 45 having to be 30 minutes.
