Another cmr question

Normally I don’t have worry about cmr’s as we carry our own goods, namely racing cars and equipment.

However I have a run around that involves delivering a car we’ve sold to a customer, actually I’m meeting him somewhere on route where we’ll load the car onto his trailer to save me going all the way to his workshop and save him some money as some of the price of the car included delivery, but he negotiated a reduced price for delivery halfway.

Then I’m off to somewhere in France to deliver a load of equipment to one of our racing drivers, he’s just brought a Chataeu down there and has ordered a load of stuff from the UK which has been delivered to our workshops for us to deliver to him.

So am I right in thinking I’ll need cmr’s?

I suppose we are both the sender and the transport operation for the car?

As the racing driver owns the goods is he both the customer and the sender of the goods?

Do all his goods go on 1 cmr, there is quite a lot of stuff, from different suppliers?

You will be asked to show the Cmr when arriving in France, the Douanes or Customs will want to know what you are carrying.
The Gendarmarie may ask on arrival or you may get stopped on the journey by the Douanes or the Gendarmes.
You may want to list the volume and weight of each item but I am not sure if you have to legaly or not.
Consignor and consignee column to be filled in.
When booking in at the freight office in the UK, the ferry firm may want to see the Cmr.
Will there be any Adr on the load or dangerous cargo or fuel or batteries ?
It must be declared on check in.

If there is a detailed list of spares and tools, etc, which make up this consignment, use that as a delivery note. Write on the CMR something along the lines of - tools and parts as per attached list, fill in net weight and or volume. Job jobbed.
You’ll also need consignor details (your company) and consignee details (drivers name and address of château) and all the other bits n pieces filled in.

I’ve just delivered some central heating boilers from the factory in Germany to site.
These had all sorts of bits and pieces accessories n stuff.
I had to supply the blank CMR which the factory staff completed.
Very little detail was supplied on the CMR itself, the detail was on the picking lists, attached to my CMR.

Simon, would I be wrong in saying he will need to carry all the documents for the car he is carrying down to France??

Also as long as all other goods are packed and wrapped tightly in boxes, then he can write ‘personal goods’ on the CMR for the delivery to the chateau? Either that or a FULL shipping list of every item is required, I just can’t remember. What do the furniture boys put when going over?

Same as Simon on this one - I’ve just got back from Germany with 22 tons of car parts of which there were hundreds of different products.

My CMR simply said “Automotive Parts” and the actual parts list was attached. It was like a telephone directory :smiley:

Thanks for the replies I’m now on route, but I’ve pretty much done what you’ve said. The car doesn’t have documentation as it’s a racing car, but it does have a production number, nearest you’d get to a vin number so I’ve noted that on the cmr, when we’ve sent other racing cars off with specialist carriers that’s what they’ve done. All the spares are in one pallets so I’ve marked up as spare parts 1 pallet, but I have a list of parts, as with sold the car and parts. The other stuff is not racing car related, but again it’s srink wrapped on pallets, so I’ve noted generally what it is how many pallets and separate boxes and weights, and got the delivery notes.

I think household furniture is one of those things that is exempted from the cmr convention? But sadly none of this stuff could be considered household furniture, anyway when you buy a chateau it comes fully furnished. Saves having to move stuff from all your other houses and anything else you want you just buy new and get your race team to warehouse and transport it. :laughing: These people live in a very different world to the rest of us, not complaining he’s a self made multi millionaire, he did start with nothing and he’s only 45 :open_mouth: and he also indirectly pays my wages. :laughing:

TheBear:
Simon, would I be wrong in saying he will need to carry all the documents for the car he is carrying down to France??

I’d expect so, the French are notorious about wanting complete documentation.

It’s a race car though, I doubt it would have normal documentation. I’ve no idea how that would work.

Simon:

TheBear:
Simon, would I be wrong in saying he will need to carry all the documents for the car he is carrying down to France??

I’d expect so, the French are notorious about wanting complete documentation.

It’s a race car though, I doubt it would have normal documentation. I’ve no idea how that would work.

From experience, normal procedure with a racecars and authorities is, tail lift down loads of photos, answer a few questions, like where does it race, who the drivers? And hand over a couple of baseball caps. :laughing:
Have been stopped a lot over the years, but rarely for what anybody would call a proper check, they just see a transporter and think it’s probably more interesting than yet another euro liner or fridge. I’ve known race team truckies who get really wound up by it, but it’s far easier than having a proper stop and that going through tacho’s and documentation trying to find some reason to fine you.

Take a couple of t shirts, hats etc. that will work as well as any paperwork.

Ben9:
Take a couple of t shirts, hats etc. that will work as well as any paperwork.

I always do. :laughing:

Thanks for the advice everybody, got it all sorted although some of it wasn’t as straight forward as it could have been.
I thought the these guys were turning up with a proper race car trailer, but managed to get it loaded with a bit of imagination and a couple of bits of old racing car planks.

a nice toy, just the thing to get around the estate.

and a new gym as well.

not a bad second home, complete with over 100 acres of land and it’s still a few million cheaper than his place in Monaco. :open_mouth:

A nice looking little weekend cottage :smiley: