My truck was in for an inspection overnight, so when I got to work this morning I was given a delivery to Blackpool (from Stockport) in a different truck. My truck is a 61 plate and on the digital card, but the truck I went to Blackpool in is an 04 and I had to use a paper disc, no problem. I got back to Stockport at about 12ish, and then jumped into another truck with a driver who was delivering in the Manchester area and was then dropping off his truck to the same place mine was at, and we were both coming back in mine. He’s only a 7.5 tonne driver so could not drive mine back to our yard.
here’s the question…I finished the shift on the disc at 12, but didn’t put my digi card in my cab untill about 3.30. Should I have put my digi card in the 2nd driver slot in the 7.5 tonne truck when I got in? Otherwise there’s a 3.5 hour gap in my working day.
I think your gonna have to wait until our resident egghead Rog comes back from Spearmint Rhino to answer you question.
On a sidenote how the f-in do the authorities make such a simple job hard work, if the Crystal Maze ever comes back on tv then I reckon a team of truckers have more than a chance to crack it with all the bamboozle we have to get through on a daily basis.
Personally if it was me, I would have written in a manual entry on the back o the analogue Tacho. But I’m no genius, so I wouldn’t like to say for sure.
As the 7.5 tonner was equipped with a digital tacho, the correct course of action would’ve been to put your card in slot 2 then removed it when you got back in your own truck or:
When you got in your truck, do a manual entry to account for the lost 3.5 hours?
Remember , you need to carry that analogue card for 28 days as well!
Daz.
Dogsbody:
As the 7.5 tonner was equipped with a digital tacho, the correct course of action would’ve been to put your card in slot 2 then removed it when you got back in your own truck or:
When you got in your truck, do a manual entry to account for the lost 3.5 hours?
Remember , you need to carry that analogue card for 28 days as well!
Daz.
You should have just put it in slot 2 .
as said. you got out a Digi into an Anno then into a Digi then into another Digi using the correct type of card in the appropriate vehicle would have been the right way. and you would only have a few manual entry’s.
Remember when you book back in on the Digi you cant do a manual entry for the time you were on Analogue as you would have 2 records of the day. This will also cause conflict with any software the company use for downloads etc
Technicaly if put in slot 2 would be illegal as starting doubleman and can only do hour after started
Personally would have done manual entryfor the 3 hrs when got to normal truck
Putting digi in slot 2 would be one option but you could also do a manual entry on the analogue card for that poa/break period when in passenger seat of the 7.5
As long as everything you did in that shift is officially recorded then all will be fine
ROG:
Putting digi in slot 2 would be one option but you could also do a manual entry on the analogue card for that poa/break period when in passenger seat of the 7.5As long as everything you did in that shift is officially recorded then all will be fine
but he hasn’t used the equipment as required Rog…being pedantic now 
and as getting on posted its a catch 22
gettin-on:
Technicaly if put in slot 2 would be illegal as starting doubleman and can only do hour after started
Personally would have done manual entryfor the 3 hrs when got to normal truck
catch 22
Not illegal to use slot 2 for a short period if in the passenger seat but in the case cited it would be under single rules and not MM rules
As far as I can see from the rules there is no requirement to use slot 2 when other official options are available
ROG:
Not illegal to use slot 2 for a short period if in the passenger seat but in the case cited it would be under single rules and not MM rulesAs far as I can see from the rules there is no requirement to use slot 2 when other official options are available
Driver cards and records It is a legal requirement for a digital tachograph-equipped vehicle driven in scope of EU rules that the driver must use a driver card.
If the vehicle is used without a card being inserted, the system will not prevent the vehicle from being driven, but the VU will record the fact that the vehicle has been used without a card.
Drivers may only be in possession of one driver’s smart card, and must never use anyone else’s card or allow another driver to use their card.
When driving a vehicle that is equipped with a digital tachograph, drivers should:
u ensure that the instrument is calibrated by inspecting the calibration plaque or interrogating the instrument;
u ensure that their driver card is inserted into the correct slot (driver in slot 1, second driver in slot 2) from the moment they take over the vehicle, and that it is ready for use, before the vehicle is moved;
nick2008:
ROG:
Not illegal to use slot 2 for a short period if in the passenger seat but in the case cited it would be under single rules and not MM rulesAs far as I can see from the rules there is no requirement to use slot 2 when other official options are available
Driver cards and records It is a legal requirement for a digital tachograph-equipped vehicle driven in scope of EU rules that the driver must use a driver card.
If the vehicle is used without a card being inserted, the system will not prevent the vehicle from being driven, but the VU will record the fact that the vehicle has been used without a card.
Drivers may only be in possession of one driver’s smart card, and must never use anyone else’s card or allow another driver to use their card.
When driving a vehicle that is equipped with a digital tachograph, drivers should:
u ensure that the instrument is calibrated by inspecting the calibration plaque or interrogating the instrument;
u ensure that their driver card is inserted into the correct slot (driver in slot 1, second driver in slot 2) from the moment they take over the vehicle, and that it is ready for use, before the vehicle is moved;
That is referring to the use of slot 1 for the driver - can you find anything that refers to the use of slot 2 when giving another driver who is on duty, but not going to be driving it, a lift as a passenger for example?
ROG:
nick2008:
ROG:
Not illegal to use slot 2 for a short period if in the passenger seat but in the case cited it would be under single rules and not MM rulesAs far as I can see from the rules there is no requirement to use slot 2 when other official options are available
Driver cards and records It is a legal requirement for a digital tachograph-equipped vehicle driven in scope of EU rules that the driver must use a driver card.
If the vehicle is used without a card being inserted, the system will not prevent the vehicle from being driven, but the VU will record the fact that the vehicle has been used without a card.
Drivers may only be in possession of one driver’s smart card, and must never use anyone else’s card or allow another driver to use their card.
When driving a vehicle that is equipped with a digital tachograph, drivers should:
u ensure that the instrument is calibrated by inspecting the calibration plaque or interrogating the instrument;
u ensure that their driver card is inserted into the correct slot (driver in slot 1, second driver in slot 2) from the moment they take over the vehicle, and that it is ready for use, before the vehicle is moved;That is referring to the use of slot 1 for the driver - can you find anything that refers to the use of slot 2 when giving another driver who is on duty, but not going to be driving it, a lift as a passenger for example?
as they is both working that would apply…
I work for a truck rental firm and we was told by vosa to use the tacho at all times of the vehicle that you in, even if your in the passenger seat as your still at work and working we had mixed fleet then, and that even meant if i got out of a digital truck and got a lift in an analogue one I would have to put a chart in the unit at driver two always did it
Born Idle:
My truck was in for an inspection overnight, so when I got to work this morning I was given a delivery to Blackpool (from Stockport) in a different truck. My truck is a 61 plate and on the digital card, but the truck I went to Blackpool in is an 04 and I had to use a paper disc, no problem. I got back to Stockport at about 12ish, and then jumped into another truck with a driver who was delivering in the Manchester area and was then dropping off his truck to the same place mine was at, and we were both coming back in mine. He’s only a 7.5 tonne driver so could not drive mine back to our yard.
here’s the question…I finished the shift on the disc at 12, but didn’t put my digi card in my cab untill about 3.30. Should I have put my digi card in the 2nd driver slot in the 7.5 tonne truck when I got in? Otherwise there’s a 3.5 hour gap in my working day.
Yes you should have put your card in slot 2 when you got a lift in the second vehicle, however if you didn’t put the card in the vehicle you was travelling in the easiest option would be to put a manual entry into the digital tachograph for the missing time when you inserted the card in your vehicle.
Another option is to put a manual entry for the missing time on the chart, if you never put a manual entry into the digital tachograph at the time your only option now is to put the manual entry on the chart if you haven’t already.
Whatever you do/did the missing time should be accounted for 
I’ve written a short explanation on the disc. Thanks for all the advice.
Born Idle:
I’ve written a short explanation on the disc. Thanks for all the advice.
You don’t need to write an explanation on the chart you need to do a proper manual entry on the chart.
gettin-on:
Technicaly if put in slot 2 would be illegal as starting doubleman and can only do hour after started
Personally would have done manual entryfor the 3 hrs when got to normal truck
WRONG. It is perfectly legal however because it wasn’t done within an hour after starting YOU CANNOT USE DOUBLE MAN RULES so are limited to normal single manning daily duty limits and can’t do a 21hr spreadover.
Another shining example of why we need the DCPC 
Conor:
gettin-on:
Technicaly if put in slot 2 would be illegal as starting doubleman and can only do hour after started
Personally would have done manual entryfor the 3 hrs when got to normal truckWRONG. It is perfectly legal however because it wasn’t done within an hour after starting YOU CANNOT USE DOUBLE MAN RULES so are limited to normal single manning daily duty limits and can’t do a 21hr spreadover.
Another shining example of why we need the DCPC
Proof■■?
I can’t find anything that says that the driver card has to be inserted by the passenger when he is not a driver of the vehicle that he is being carried in, however all work must be recorded whether on charts/printouts/manual entry.
(c) ‘driver’ means any person who drives the vehicle even for
a short period, or who is carried in a vehicle as part of his
duties to be available for driving if necessary;
‘When as a result of being away from the vehicle, a
driver is unable to use the equipment fitted to the
vehicle, the periods of time referred to in
paragraph 3, second indent (b), (c) and (d) shall:
(a) if the vehicle is fitted with recording equipment
in conformity with Annex I, be entered
on the record sheet, either manually, by
automatic recording or other means, legibly
and without dirtying the sheet; or
(b) if the vehicle is fitted with recording equipment
in conformity with Annex IB, be entered
onto the driver card using the manual entry
facility provided in the recording equipment.
Where there is more than one driver on board the
vehicle fitted with recording equipment in conformity
with Annex IB, each driver shall ensure that
his driver card is inserted into the correct slot in the
tachograph.’,