been on digi and now using anos so a few questions
1/ had truck the other night with the one where you turn key pull back then put in tacho then shut and turn key,i dont know what i did wrong [had orange light flashing now and then] but when i got back nothing on tacho,did something wrong ,so filled one out manually ,is that o.k
2/can you open tacho to check its working o.k after say 15 mins
3/i start at 1.00 am but sometimes dont put tacho into 3-4 oclock if not loaded ,how do you record that ,its on timesheet but not tacho ,should i be putting s.d.p on front /back of tacho
4/ been told i must use p.o.a but can you have 46 mins break then go straight onto p.o.a or have you got to drive inbetween
5/had 2 hrs p.oa the other night then forgot to switch to cross hammers and drove out yard then realised[ so did 3/4 mins driving on p.o.a ,do you write on back or dont they bother about 3/4 mins on wrong mode thanks
1st off these answers are to my knowledge and are from my memory not the bible so i could be wrong.(coffee usually gets in for these quick with links to proper regulations.)
1)Which light was it on dash or tacho, tacho lights come on at 50mph usualy, and did u place card in fron or behind driver 2 plastic shield thing.
2)Only an authorised person can open a thacho once its in and must sign it, you can be done with tampering with official documents (i think) if you open between start and end of shift.
3)some companys have an e.d.r or an s.d.r policy but i usualy right my end of/start of daily/wkly rest on back of card not front.
4)you record poa as poa and breaks as breaks makes no difference if you have driven.
5)even anologue tachos are automatic so when you drive it records drive it will then return to what you have left it on befor you drove so in your case it would record drive then when you stop it will start to record poa because thats what you left it on.
Does that help m8.
yes does help i think if i remember[ had a different truck every night with a different tacho it seemed]i put the tacho behind plastic flap ,should of been on top i guess.
only wanted to open that paticular type as didnt want a load of wrong tachos but not had that type since and rest [cassete type ] have been fine .
thanks
ady1:
been on digi and now using anos so a few questions
1/ had truck the other night with the one where you turn key pull back then put in tacho then shut and turn key,i dont know what i did wrong [had orange light flashing now and then] but when i got back nothing on tacho,did something wrong ,so filled one out manually ,is that o.k
Orange light flashing means chart not inserted correctly
Orange light usually stays on above 80 kmh regardless
Open tacho head, place card over pearshaped mount FACE UP i.e. writing side up
2/can you open tacho to check its working o.k after say 15 mins
As far as I am aware acceptable but might not be a bad idea to wrie on back reason for opening before closing
3/i start at 1.00 am but sometimes dont put tacho into 3-4 oclock if not loaded ,how do you record that ,its on timesheet but not tacho ,should i be putting s.d.p on front /back of tacho
On the back
4/ been told i must use p.o.a but can you have 46 mins break then go straight onto p.o.a or have you got to drive inbetween
Yes you can change mode without needing to drive FYI no boss can tell you that you must use POA (search POA on here for more info)
5/had 2 hrs p.oa the other night then forgot to switch to cross hammers and drove out yard then realised[ so did 3/4 mins driving on p.o.a ,do you write on back or dont they bother about 3/4 mins on wrong mode
thanks
The “old” style 3 mode tacho is still an automatic device and will have switched to Drive from POA when you set off BUT will revert to POA upon stopping so if you stopped and were POA no problems. If you noticed your error whilst driving and switched then no harm no foul
Hope that helps
I stand ready to be Coffeholiced , I mean Corrected
catclan:
2)Only an authorised person can open a thacho once its in and must sign it, you can be done with tampering with official documents (i think) if you open between start and end of shift.
Sorry. Common misconception.
Without looking back to actual wording, it reads something like ‘the chart must not be withdrawn…’ i.e. “Withdrawn” as in ‘removed’ or ‘taken out of use’. After all, why else would the Type Approval Regs for tacho heads specify that the card must be capable of being viewed without removal from the device.
The card is, after all, your record of work and, should you need to refer to it to confirm when breaks are due (as in multi-drop) then there is no reason as to why you shouldn’t.
Having the ‘head’ open for periods of longer than five minutes would certainly result in VOSA asking questions, but, I would suggest, not as many questions as returning with a blank disc when a flashing warning light had been noticed and not acted upon.
Not wishing to ridicule the answering post but, what happens when you change vehicles? Do you leave your first chart in the first vehicle and instructions that it is not to be moved until you return at the end of your shift to remove it, and use a second, or third chart, in subsequent vehicles. In reality is the Operator expected to place each of these vehicles ‘out of service’ until the original driver returns to collect the charts. Whether on that day or on days subsequent, when offences will have been committed by leaving them in longer than 24 hours.
Another misconception
catclan:
and must sign it
Nothing in the Regs requires an authorised person to sign the chart. Whilst it is general practice (and common courtesy) to sign after examination, there is a difference between ‘examining’ a chart and ‘confirming that a chart is in use’. With the ‘downsizing’ of RPU Officers, many Officers dealing with non-arterial road incidents, haven’t a clue about Drivers Hours and Tacho Regs. ‘Demanding’ that they sign the chart, when all they have asked is to confirm that you are using one, ain’t goin’ to make you many friends. Far better to request a ‘Log Number/Collar number’ and endorse the back of it yourself than generate a confrontational situation.
well krankee they do say every days a school day.
I stand corrected i did state that the answers i gave were my own and could be wrong, they are just the practices i tend to use.
MM has answered your question about how to insert the chart - if the plastic disc is missing you can use a spare tacho as a backing sheet.
The sort of tacho head you refer to is the traditional sort and seems to be mostly found in Scanias. More common ano types look like CD players and if you come accross these make sure you put the disc in face up but tuck it under the retaining clips. Some (usually Volvo and DAF) have an LCD display and synchronise their time with the dashboard clock. Others (e.g. Merc) have only LEDs to show mode selected and have nothing to do with the dashboard clock so should be gently turned to the correct position if wrong. I managed to mess up all 3 types first time I used them and one day (maybe tomorrow?) I’ll be given a digi truck so can mess that up too!
ady1:
3/i start at 1.00 am but sometimes dont put tacho into 3-4 oclock if not loaded ,how do you record that ,
You can still put your tacho in if you have access to the vehicle. Putting it on other work if you are working, or POA if you are waiting for it to be loaded (yes, I know, and know how long it will take )
I always put my tacho in at least 10 mins before I drive off, regardless of whether digital or ananlogue, to show that I took the time to do vehicle checks.