Cast your mind back to when it all kicked off at the ports with tree huggers shouting and blocking trucks with veal transport to and from the continent,one haulier got fed up and started his own ship to France,at a small port in the UK.Some huggers were killed,when they got run over by livestock wagons.What they could not get in their heads, was that livestock have to be tightly packed together to avoid limb breakage,if the truck had to stop in a hurry,if the calves were all loose with gaps,they would get injured,by falling over.
Yes, but it’s better to slaughter them here and then export them in a fridge.
I’m not a vegetarian but I do believe in treating animals with respect.
toby1234abc:
Cast your mind back to when it all kicked off at the ports with tree huggers shouting and blocking trucks with veal transport to and from the continent,one haulier got fed up and started his own ship to France,at a small port in the UK.Some huggers were killed,when they got run over by livestock wagons.What they could not get in their heads, was that livestock have to be tightly packed together to avoid limb breakage,if the truck had to stop in a hurry,if the calves were all loose with gaps,they would get injured,by falling over.
Were you on for Mfp ?. . . running the gauntlet into Shoreham ■■
The bint was killed at Baggington after chaining herself to a moving lorry . . . silly cow !!
Harry Monk:
Yes, but it’s better to slaughter them here and then export them in a fridge.I’m not a vegetarian but I do believe in treating animals with respect.
+1
Just wonders all Livestocks trucks drivers had to do training before drive and carry the livestocks - training like how to handle with the animals, temperatures, feeding and safely?
Harry Monk:
Yes, but it’s better to slaughter them here and then export them in a fridge.I’m not a vegetarian but I do believe in treating animals with respect.
+2
Could not agre more.
Chewy:
Harry Monk:
Yes, but it’s better to slaughter them here and then export them in a fridge.I’m not a vegetarian but I do believe in treating animals with respect.
+2
Could not agre more.
Thought the initial post was about live exports.Bit difficult in a fridge.
Beleive it or not, not all livestock drivers were/are ■■■■■. The cargo was checked by vets at every border.
Beasts were fed watered and had learage when necessary.
Would rather run over a clandestine than an animal.
bit hard to comment, as i certainly don’t know anything on the livestock front.
i’m not as daft, or mis-informed as some of the “tree huggers” may have been back then, but agree with others, would it not have been better to have them slaughtered here, then shipped over. was it a cost thing?
i like a sunday roast, as much as most do, but after seeing a ‘rspca’ vid a few years back, the way animals were treated, was certainly not what you’d class as satisfactory.
on the flip side, remember a couple of years back, seeing a lad loading a livestock wagon, with cattle, at newark, and was highly impressed with his skill and approach to his job.
Having seen the animals suffering for two days on the dock in Brindisi while waiting for a ferry. I never saw them unloaded for water, food or even sleep. The driver maybe slept for a few hours on the way down. Everyone will remember the company and this it now in more animal friendly times.
I think my biggest nightmare was following an open tilt with cows tied onto the flatbed in Bulgaria 
And we all know what happened to the knob that ran it at Baginton, cost more than one life.
chilistrucker:
bit hard to comment, as i certainly don’t know anything on the livestock front.
i’m not as daft, or mis-informed as some of the “tree huggers” may have been back then, but agree with others, would it not have been better to have them slaughtered here, then shipped over. was it a cost thing?
i like a sunday roast, as much as most do, but after seeing a ‘rspca’ vid a few years back, the way animals were treated, was certainly not what you’d class as satisfactory.on the flip side, remember a couple of years back, seeing a lad loading a livestock wagon, with cattle, at newark, and was highly impressed with his skill and approach to his job.
It was ALL about money, as usual. The Frogs were buying them live as they were cheap, taking them to France and slaughtering them there so they could then put their stamp on the carcass thereby implying that meat was born and raised in Frogland not Blighty. It would then sell for a higher price.
44 Tonne Ton:
chilistrucker:
bit hard to comment, as i certainly don’t know anything on the livestock front.
i’m not as daft, or mis-informed as some of the “tree huggers” may have been back then, but agree with others, would it not have been better to have them slaughtered here, then shipped over. was it a cost thing?
i like a sunday roast, as much as most do, but after seeing a ‘rspca’ vid a few years back, the way animals were treated, was certainly not what you’d class as satisfactory.on the flip side, remember a couple of years back, seeing a lad loading a livestock wagon, with cattle, at newark, and was highly impressed with his skill and approach to his job.
It was ALL about money, as usual. The Frogs were buying them live as they were cheap, taking them to France and slaughtering them there so they could then put their stamp on the carcass thereby implying that meat was born and raised in Frogland not Blighty. It would then sell for a higher price.
cheers mate, like most things then, all about the money.
the rspca clip i saw, was filmed on a secret camera, think the truck had gone uk, to greece, and for some reason, in greece, they were trying to cram abit more in, it was a long time ago, but, iirc, they were trying to force a live pig, into a pallet carrier
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chilistrucker:
but, iirc, they were trying to force a live pig, into a pallet carrier
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Oh, you mean an animal, sorry 
Wheel Nut:
chilistrucker:
but, iirc, they were trying to force a live pig, into a pallet carrier
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Oh, you mean an animal, sorry
ha,ha, yeah it was of the 4 legged, pink variety.
i liked your mention earlier of the cows on the flatbed, prob wouldn’t have believed it before, but after a trip into zagreb, i overtook, a rigid, tilt bodied motor, the flap was up at the back, and inside, seemingly, happy as larry, was a horse, just stood there, tied to a makeshift rear door kind of setup
Back then,most British companies that were doing regular Euro livestock were doing a bloody good job.
Most of the jibes seemed to be aimed at foriegn firms for mistreating their cargo.
Did anybody ever see animals on a flatbed pulled by a Gilders,Armstrongs or Mfp motor?
Suedehead:
Back then,most British companies that were doing regular Euro livestock were doing a bloody good job.
Most of the jibes seemed to be aimed at foriegn firms for mistreating their cargo.
Did anybody ever see animals on a flatbed pulled by a Gilders,Armstrongs or Mfp motor?
Of course not, they were under the steel plate 
Not jibes, but I imagine driving into Eastern Docks with livestock was worse than taking a lorry into Orgreave
Hi Toby, whatever has happened to bring this back to the fore■■? I spent many happy years trucking around Europe with all sorts of livestock. Yes it’s a job that requires more skill than the average trunker, but I would go back to tomorrow given half a chance. The people involved were willing to help each other whatever happened, be it changing a wheel or feeding calves in the middle of the night. What the RSPCA does not tell you that most of the horror videos came from foreign countries that don’t have the standards of animal welfare we have here in the UK. I agree with Suedehead that most UK drivers were trained but it was also about the money. A Black /white calf has gone from minimum of £150 then to worthless now!
Just bear in mind that our vehicles were pressure washed after every load before return to the UK with genera freight.
The only protester I recall who lost their life was a woman in Coventry airport in 1995 who threw herself in front of the lorry and wrecked the driver’s life too!
Wheel Nut:
Suedehead:
Back then,most British companies that were doing regular Euro livestock were doing a bloody good job.
Most of the jibes seemed to be aimed at foriegn firms for mistreating their cargo.
Did anybody ever see animals on a flatbed pulled by a Gilders,Armstrongs or Mfp motor?Of course not, they were under the steel plate
Not jibes, but I imagine driving into Eastern Docks with livestock was worse than taking a lorry into Orgreave
It was much worse than that. the police were on our side but we still had bricks thrown off bridges at us, protesters climbing on lorries and petrol bomb alerts when in lairages!!
Rvyper:
Wheel Nut:
Suedehead:
Back then,most British companies that were doing regular Euro livestock were doing a bloody good job.
Most of the jibes seemed to be aimed at foriegn firms for mistreating their cargo.
Did anybody ever see animals on a flatbed pulled by a Gilders,Armstrongs or Mfp motor?Of course not, they were under the steel plate
Not jibes, but I imagine driving into Eastern Docks with livestock was worse than taking a lorry into Orgreave
It was much worse than that. the police were on our side but we still had bricks thrown off bridges at us, protesters climbing on lorries and petrol bomb alerts when in lairages!!
Perhaps its only me that thinks this but it really seemed to kick off when Greenham common closed and the purple ribbon/dyke/gimp brigade wanted to else to protest about… . tin hat (with chinstrap) at the ready
Suedehead:
Rvyper:
Wheel Nut:
Suedehead:
Back then,most British companies that were doing regular Euro livestock were doing a bloody good job.
Most of the jibes seemed to be aimed at foriegn firms for mistreating their cargo.
Did anybody ever see animals on a flatbed pulled by a Gilders,Armstrongs or Mfp motor?Of course not, they were under the steel plate
Not jibes, but I imagine driving into Eastern Docks with livestock was worse than taking a lorry into Orgreave
It was much worse than that. the police were on our side but we still had bricks thrown off bridges at us, protesters climbing on lorries and petrol bomb alerts when in lairages!!
Perhaps its only me that thinks this but it really seemed to kick off when Greenham common closed and the purple ribbon/dyke/gimp brigade wanted to else to protest about… . tin hat (with chinstrap) at the ready
Yes. Many were professional protesters with little else to do, while others were brainwashed by RSPCA and CWF reports, some just thought it fun and a few actually believed !
Over here in GERMANY they have shown a film about animal transport
the only trucks shown with out fail was either Polish Italian or other eastern block
country’s, This is not a dig as yes western Europe has its black sheep as well
but and this is true the majority of cruelty to animals being transported is from the
eastern block country’s.I sat in front of the TV and was utterly disgusted by
what they showed, also whilst using the Brenner I have seen more than once
the Italians and how they just did not give a , This hits all those firms who
do act correctly and makes life then harder for those drivers and their firms.
A few points from the film they showed a Horse with a broken leg which had
been taped up just for the journey or they dragged out cows with a rope around
a leg, sorry such firms need to be closed down,much more was shown
here is a film showing a journey from Spain to the boot of Italy and also Sicily
HERE