And we wonder why people don’t like us [Merged]

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Night-and-day:
The driving test for a motorway should be separate to the main test. Pass the first test that enables you to drive on P plates on any other roads other than motorways, then have to pass an advanced test to remove the P plates and drive on motorways too. The driving style and skills are entirely different to slower roads and a nervous or incompetent driver should not be using a motorway. The lessons could involve how to join the motorway properly either from a junction or the hard shoulder, the amount of people you see sat stationary at the end of a slip because they didn’t start looking until near the end of it then couldn’t join is unbelievable. Same goes for the ones who rejoin from the hard shoulder from a dead stop instead of building speed first. They could be taught how their actions affect other vehicles, especially large ones. And lane discipline could be thrown in for good measure. You could even revoke the motorway entitlement for a period of time for fault accidents or dangerous driving that causes near misses.

Now I agree with compulsory motorway training and testing.

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DickyNick:
Plenty of professional drivers don’t seem to understand that they must give way to traffic already on the motorway yet they don’t they just come speeding down the slip road to bully their way into lane 1. Have you thought this is way a car driver might move out necessarily in fear of being flattened by a truck with no care in the world? Another situation we bring in ourself by poor, dangerous and inconsiderate driving because we are in the bigger vehicle. Weak little men who feel superior while they are higher up the an everyone else.

But that wasn’t the case here, no good putting in a load of whataboutry because you haven’t got the response you wanted

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R420:
Understandable why the trucker got ■■■■■■■ just like everyone on here in the same situation would be too, despite the claims to the contrary. [/i].

Not me, never seen the point at getting angry at other road users. Didn’t even get annoyed at the pigeon that flew across the front of me and forced me into that Irish ditch all those years ago. Bloody thing didn’t even have insurance

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Mazzer2:

DickyNick:
Plenty of professional drivers don’t seem to understand that they must give way to traffic already on the motorway yet they don’t they just come speeding down the slip road to bully their way into lane 1. Have you thought this is way a car driver might move out necessarily in fear of being flattened by a truck with no care in the world? Another situation we bring in ourself by poor, dangerous and inconsiderate driving because we are in the bigger vehicle. Weak little men who feel superior while they are higher up the an everyone else.

But that wasn’t the case here, no good putting in a load of whataboutry because you haven’t got the response you wanted

Why wasn’t it the case? I’m saying this driver might be in this habit of moving out for junctions because they are know an artic will come bullying their way down the slip road expecting everyone to give way to them. Good anticipation I say. Better than than that if the pro driver here.

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DickyNick:

Mazzer2:

DickyNick:
Plenty of professional drivers don’t seem to understand that they must give way to traffic already on the motorway yet they don’t they just come speeding down the slip road to bully their way into lane 1. Have you thought this is way a car driver might move out necessarily in fear of being flattened by a truck with no care in the world? Another situation we bring in ourself by poor, dangerous and inconsiderate driving because we are in the bigger vehicle. Weak little men who feel superior while they are higher up the an everyone else.

But that wasn’t the case here, no good putting in a load of whataboutry because you haven’t got the response you wanted

Why wasn’t it the case? I’m saying this driver might be in this habit of moving out for junctions because they are know an artic will come bullying their way down the slip road expecting everyone to give way to them. Good anticipation I say. Better than than that if the pro driver here.

Because you said they pull over at every junction, hardly good anticipation if they then ended up with an artic up their backside, end of the day if they had been travelling at 60 mph the event would never have happened

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DickyNick:
Who really needs to reacquaint themselves with the Highway Code. The car driver who is driving at a perfectly legal 50mph and has moved out to pass a junction to allow traffic to join… or the PROFESSIONAL driver who clearly:

1/ doesn’t understand stopping distances
2/ doesn’t understand that he may kill someone if the car brakes
3/ doesn’t know the correct use of a horn
4/ doesn’t know the correct use of headlight flashing
5/ is so impatient 30 seconds matter

Out of those 2 which one REALLY needs some re training and to read up on the rules?

I stand by my original comment. The car driver shouldn’t be on the road. No excuse for poor standard of driving, as that is why driving tests exists. Unless the car driver was old enough to have a licence without passing a test? :question:

The car driver claims to be doing 50mph but how was that indicated? Most car speedos are out by 10% or sometimes more. Perhaps much more if the car driver was cheap/clueless and went with a slightly cheaper size of tyre…

So lets assume the car was in proper condition for the road. 10% error on the speedo puts the car driver at 45mph.

Truck driver can do an accurate 56mph, perhaps slightly more if the road was a on a downhill section

So Artic driver is trundling along in Lane 1, gaining on a car claiming to be doing 50 but more likely to be doing 45,perhaps less. The car driver then moved into lane 2 where Artic driver had moved to, trying to pass the car. The car is not overtaking anyone but has simply moved out to impede the progress of the artic driver. This is in effect “Brake Checking” with such a difference in speed, a very dangerous and illegal activity.

Artic driver uses the horn and flashes lights to make sure the car driver is aware the artic driver is there, as is legal and even recommended in the highway code.

Sounds to me like the car driver has a potential charge of dangerous driving to answer for, should the artic driver have a dashcam recording and sent to the police.

If the artic driver was so close, being the claimed inches off the car driver’s back bumper, the car driver would not have been able to see the artic having his high beams on - Which puts into question how close the artic driver really was from the car.

The car driver was wrong - There is no excuse for dangerous driving, not even nerves or lack of experience. The car driver was lucky this time their activities didn’t result in damage, injury or a fatality. Next time they might not be so lucky.

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I stand by my original comment. The car driver shouldn’t be on the road. No excuse for poor standard of driving, as that is why driving tests exists. Unless the car driver was old enough to have a licence without passing a test? :question:

The car driver was wrong - There is no excuse for dangerous driving, not even nerves or lack of experience. The car driver was lucky this time their activities didn’t result in damage, injury or a fatality. Next time they might not be so lucky.
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+1
if the myopic twaddler was not wrongly in the outside lane,then traffic would flow smoothly and there would have been no instance of irritation by anyone…simple as that,

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Hyh:

DickyNick:
Who really needs to reacquaint themselves with the Highway Code. The car driver who is driving at a perfectly legal 50mph and has moved out to pass a junction to allow traffic to join… or the PROFESSIONAL driver who clearly:

1/ doesn’t understand stopping distances
2/ doesn’t understand that he may kill someone if the car brakes
3/ doesn’t know the correct use of a horn
4/ doesn’t know the correct use of headlight flashing
5/ is so impatient 30 seconds matter

Out of those 2 which one REALLY needs some re training and to read up on the rules?

I stand by my original comment. The car driver shouldn’t be on the road. No excuse for poor standard of driving, as that is why driving tests exists. Unless the car driver was old enough to have a licence without passing a test? :question:

The car driver claims to be doing 50mph but how was that indicated? Most car speedos are out by 10% or sometimes more. Perhaps much more if the car driver was cheap/clueless and went with a slightly cheaper size of tyre…

So lets assume the car was in proper condition for the road. 10% error on the speedo puts the car driver at 45mph.

Truck driver can do an accurate 56mph, perhaps slightly more if the road was a on a downhill section

So Artic driver is trundling along in Lane 1, gaining on a car claiming to be doing 50 but more likely to be doing 45,perhaps less. The car driver then moved into lane 2 where Artic driver had moved to, trying to pass the car. The car is not overtaking anyone but has simply moved out to impede the progress of the artic driver. This is in effect “Brake Checking” with such a difference in speed, a very dangerous and illegal activity.

Artic driver uses the horn and flashes lights to make sure the car driver is aware the artic driver is there, as is legal and even recommended in the highway code.

Sounds to me like the car driver has a potential charge of dangerous driving to answer for, should the artic driver have a dashcam recording and sent to the police.

If the artic driver was so close, being the claimed inches off the car driver’s back bumper, the car driver would not have been able to see the artic having his high beams on - Which puts into question how close the artic driver really was from the car.

The car driver was wrong - There is no excuse for dangerous driving, not even nerves or lack of experience. The car driver was lucky this time their activities didn’t result in damage, injury or a fatality. Next time they might not be so lucky.

Hang on a minute. What planet are you on?

Who’s the dangerous one here?

A/ the car driver driving at a legal speed then moving back once clear of a junction

B/ the bloke in charge of 44 tons driving up close behind and getting worked up

Which do you think the police and a court would decide was dangerous driving out of those 2?

This forum really is unbelievable with the pack animal instinct of trying to justify the behaviour of someone who is clearly wrong yet just because it’s another truck driver it’s apparently fine.

Oh and if you think the car driver is driving dangerously You really need to read Up on the road traffic act and the legal definition. Secondly if you think that sort of horn blowing is what the Highway Code says is the correct use then again you need to check back at a recent copy of it.

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Probably never checked the rear view mirror,and moved over…Just as the truck was about to pass.
Target fixing on the merging traffic.

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The tacit condoning of tailgating is the common theme of this thread, and shows the calibre of the current crop. How would you brave hypocritical wind-bags feel if it was your nervous son, daughter or mother having to deal with a 44t truck inches from the rear of their car? Moreso, how would you feel if they were then flattened by said 44t truck? As has been said by the few, standards of professional driving are not just low, they are subterranean.

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Janos:
The tacit condoning of tailgating is the common theme of this thread, and shows the calibre of the current crop. How would you brave hypocritical wind-bags feel if it was your nervous son, daughter or mother having to deal with a 44t truck inches from the rear of their car? Moreso, how would you feel if they were then flattened by said 44t truck? As has been said by the few, standards of professional driving are not just low, they are subterranean.

Nice to see we’ve got some forums members that have the balls to break away from the crowd, see the bigger picture and see sense and what’s right/wrong. Not just stick up for the lorry driver because he’s a lorry driver.

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My long held view has been reinforced by this and so many other threads of a similar ilk.

For all categories the driving licence should only be valid for 12 months with full theoretical and practical driving tests to current standards necessary to obtain another 12 months validity.

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cav551:
The OP doesn’t say that the car ‘pulled out in front of’ the truck, he says the truck ‘accelerated’ until very close the back of the car. That probabaly isn’t correct it just seemed like it accelerated. So was Globetrotterfandango half asleep ? he could have backed off easily. It sounds to me that the lady driver had been given sound advice in the past about not putting yourself in a situation where you cannot see what is happenning in the nearside blindspot so move out to lane two when passing junctions… … isn’t that similar to moving out one lane when passing a vehicle on the hard shoulder if it is possible to do so, which as ‘professionals?’ we are quite keen on pointing out? If the driver 200 yds behind is asleep - or more likely too thick to appreciate the reason, then they need to look at themselves. The Lady is perfectly entitled to drive at 50mph. Professional drivers are supposed to make allowances for other less experienced drivers.

That’s correct, there is no minimum limit, so she has absolute right to drive 50mph if she feels its more safe fore her, rules only say that it is not recommended to drive slower than 40mph on motorways as it could be dangerous. If you drive faster than overtake…

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Janos:
Moreso, how would you feel if they were then flattened by said 44t truck? .

I’d cheer then break open the champagne. No child of mine would drive so badly and if they did not only would they sadly be taking after me but I’d be happy a kind lorry driver put me out of my misery.

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switchlogic:

Janos:
Moreso, how would you feel if they were then flattened by said 44t truck? .

I’d cheer then break open the champagne. No child of mine would drive so badly and if they did not only would they sadly be taking after me but I’d be happy a kind lorry driver put me out of my misery.

You’d cheer if someone got killed by a truck? For someone who’s been through what you have over the last few months you shock me with that attitude.

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DickyNick:

switchlogic:

Janos:
Moreso, how would you feel if they were then flattened by said 44t truck? .

I’d cheer then break open the champagne. No child of mine would drive so badly and if they did not only would they sadly be taking after me but I’d be happy a kind lorry driver put me out of my misery.

You’d cheer if someone got killed by a truck? For someone who’s been through what you have over the last few months you shock me with that attitude.

Blimey, you really took that seriously? :smiley: Though to be fair plenty would have cheered my death, I’m heartbroken to have disappointed them so badly :wink:

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Luke, your self-deprecating take on this is amusing, but it does hint at the macho, meat-headed mindset of what seems to be a majority of drivers now. People would view the industry and its workers in a more positive light if it fulfilled its professional obligations. Unfortunately, a lot of drivers once out the yard think it is the Wild West, and they are free to dispense justice for any perceived slight.

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Janos:
Luke, your self-deprecating take on this is amusing, but it does hint at the macho, meat-headed mindset of what seems to be a majority of drivers now. People would view the industry and its workers in a more positive light if it fulfilled its professional obligations. Unfortunately, a lot of drivers once out the yard think it is the Wild West, and they are free to dispense justice for any perceived slight.

Thank you. I’m actually on your side. The endless defence of shocking driving by professionals, and yes before my resident critics pipe up my own driving is very far from perfect, on this forum is awful. As a professional we are supposed to take others sometimes poor, sometimes nervous driving in our stride and it’s hardly the end of the world if a lorry is forced to slow to 50 for a few seconds. Get a grip everyone, human beings aren’t born perfect drivers, I’m aware of this more than most :smiley:

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DickyNick:

drover:

Mazzer2:

DickyNick:

Hyh:
Sounds like the colleague needs some time with a driving instructor to get up to a proper standard.

In the mean time, fit P plates and reacquaint themselves with the highway code

If you hold back others making progress, you shouldn’t be on the road and funnily enough, you wont pass a driving test dawdling around either.

Who really needs to reacquaint themselves with the Highway Code. The car driver who is driving at a perfectly legal 50mph and has moved out to pass a junction to allow traffic to join… or the PROFESSIONAL driver who clearly:

1/ doesn’t understand stopping distances
2/ doesn’t understand that he may kill someone if the car brakes
3/ doesn’t know the correct use of a horn
4/ doesn’t know the correct use of headlight flashing
5/ is so impatient 30 seconds matter

Out of those 2 which one REALLY needs some re training and to read up on the rules?

The car driver might also want to read the sections in the highway code about keeping left except when overtaking and driving in a manner so as not to cause inconvenience to others, driving at 20mph below the limit will get you a fail on driving test.
The lorry driver should have just gone up the inside and not made an issue of it sounds like a case of two drivers not knowing the rules.

Exactly why pull into middle lane anyway, it’s time people learnt that when joining motorway they have to give way not the other way round. Boils my ■■■■.
Ok seems on this occasion that it’s a new driver, no excuse not to learn the rules, but on the face of it it’s a non event that happens 100 times a day and as said I’d of just cracked on in inside lane.
People really get upset about the stupidest most unimportant things it’s hilarious.

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Plenty of professional drivers don’t seem to understand that they must give way to traffic already on the motorway yet they don’t they just come speeding down the slip road to bully their way into lane 1. Have you thought this is way a car driver might move out necessarily in fear of being flattened by a truck with no care in the world? Another situation we bring in ourself by poor, dangerous and inconsiderate driving because we are in the bigger vehicle. Weak little men who feel superior while they are higher up the an everyone else.

Yes your right happens all the time.

I was driving in my car on m4 other day overtaking a truck at a split in the road, nothing behind me nothing outside me he had loads of time to get over to middle lane at least 1 mile, so I get half way along his trailer sure enough on comes his indicator.

3 seconds later I’m past him but Mr big balls had to lean on the horn because I didn’t move over for him. Why are people so stressed these days?
Ok I could have moved over for him but what’s the point? 3 seconds and I was passed!
Just another non event in a world of endless non events.
Jesus if I posted on here every little thing that happens on an average day I wouldn’t have time for a job
Get over it enjoy life [emoji6]

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I’m with everyone that a car driving at 50mph in lane 2 with a clear lane 1 is highly frustrating and they are wrong. But, it’s how we deal with that as a professional driver. Driving dangerously close and being aggressive so in essence dealing with someone else’s wrong by offering a counter wrong doing ourselves isn’t the way to go about it. Sit back be patient, wait for them to move or just pass them on the near side if your already in lane 1. That’s the difference between an actual professional driver and someone who’s just am impatient car driver who’s got a class 1 licence and thinks they can use the vehicle size to be a bully.