Also on the 3rd you have gone over 6 hours work without a break.
You have worked almost 7 hours.
Daani:
Also on the 3rd you have gone over 6 hours work without a break.
You have worked almost 7 hours.
yes there was an accident and then flooding on the m25
cooper1203:
Daani:
Also on the 3rd you have gone over 6 hours work without a break.
You have worked almost 7 hours.yes there was an accident and then flooding on the m25
Quick question Coop, were you in slowly moving or stationary traffic in this incident? If stationary then why not bang it on break? Ok you can argue that it’s not “really” break sat on a motorway but who’s to know? And if it keeps your card straight then so much the better.
As an aside if I’m on a road where everything comes to a standstill I bang it on break, I may not get a 15 or a 45 but even 7 minutes on break is 7 minutes off of my working time.
the maoster:
cooper1203:
Daani:
Also on the 3rd you have gone over 6 hours work without a break.
You have worked almost 7 hours.yes there was an accident and then flooding on the m25
Quick question Coop, were you in slowly moving or stationary traffic in this incident? If stationary then why not bang it on break? Ok you can argue that it’s not “really” break sat on a motorway but who’s to know? And if it keeps your card straight then so much the better.
As an aside if I’m on a road where everything comes to a standstill I bang it on break, I may not get a 15 or a 45 but even 7 minutes on break is 7 minutes off of my working time.
i did stop for 5 mins hence there is three min break in there somewhere but good point about saving working time regardless of the 15/30/45 rules
cooper1203:
the maoster:
cooper1203:
Daani:
Also on the 3rd you have gone over 6 hours work without a break.
You have worked almost 7 hours.yes there was an accident and then flooding on the m25
Quick question Coop, were you in slowly moving or stationary traffic in this incident? If stationary then why not bang it on break? Ok you can argue that it’s not “really” break sat on a motorway but who’s to know? And if it keeps your card straight then so much the better.
As an aside if I’m on a road where everything comes to a standstill I bang it on break, I may not get a 15 or a 45 but even 7 minutes on break is 7 minutes off of my working time.
i did stop for 5 mins hence there is three min break in there somewhere but good point about saving working time regardless of the 15/30/45 rules
Im sure your aware but anything under 15 mins wont count as a break.
You will need a minimum 15 mins.
Daani:
Im sure your aware but anything under 15 mins wont count as a break.
You will need a minimum 15 mins.
Correct. Has to be a minimum of 15 minutes to count as a break.
BUT
You don’t have to show a break of 15 mins, you can show 3 minutes, 6, 9 12, whatever as those periods while not counting as a break don’t count as working time thus extending the window before requiring a WTD break.
toonsy:
Daani:
Im sure your aware but anything under 15 mins wont count as a break.
You will need a minimum 15 mins.Correct. Has to be a minimum of 15 minutes to count as a break.
BUT
You don’t have to show a break of 15 mins, you can show 3 minutes, 6, 9 12, whatever as those periods while not counting as a break don’t count as working time thus extending the window before requiring a WTD break.
I think that looks dodgy as ■■■■. That is not good practice. Pretty sure a enforcement officer will ask why the ■■■■ you put it on break for 3 mins driving for a min then break again x 10 or however long your caught in traffic for.
@cooper. I may go over your charts later but either way, 9 hours 7 mins rest? cmon lol. This is like the norm for you now. Just stop pushing your hours and find a decent employer.
If you are putting in, or taking out your card, isn`t that working?
It may record rest/break either side of you doing that, but the act of doing something work related is breaking that rest/break.
Either leave the card either in or out for all of the period, don`t touch anything during your rest/break.
(yes, problematic on those tachos stupidly set to revert to duty of you turn key to open windows)
adam277:
toonsy:
Daani:
Im sure your aware but anything under 15 mins wont count as a break.
You will need a minimum 15 mins.Correct. Has to be a minimum of 15 minutes to count as a break.
BUT
You don’t have to show a break of 15 mins, you can show 3 minutes, 6, 9 12, whatever as those periods while not counting as a break don’t count as working time thus extending the window before requiring a WTD break.
I think that looks dodgy as [zb]. That is not good practice. Pretty sure a enforcement officer will ask why the [zb] you put it on break for 3 mins driving for a min then break again x 10 or however long your caught in traffic for.
@cooper. I may go over your charts later but either way, 9 hours 7 mins rest? cmon lol. This is like the norm for you now. Just stop pushing your hours and find a decent employer.
This particular one was nones fault i had a whole string of unforseen events happen and i ran out of time and had to park up for the day (work nights) on a business park and the lorry was needed back at 7pm for someone else to use. However, i take your point
adam277:
toonsy:
Daani:
Im sure your aware but anything under 15 mins wont count as a break.
You will need a minimum 15 mins.Correct. Has to be a minimum of 15 minutes to count as a break.
BUT
You don’t have to show a break of 15 mins, you can show 3 minutes, 6, 9 12, whatever as those periods while not counting as a break don’t count as working time thus extending the window before requiring a WTD break.
I think that looks dodgy as [zb]. That is not good practice. Pretty sure a enforcement officer will ask why the [zb] you put it on break for 3 mins driving for a min then break again x 10 or however long your caught in traffic for.
@cooper. I may go over your charts later but either way, 9 hours 7 mins rest? cmon lol. This is like the norm for you now. Just stop pushing your hours and find a decent employer.
Depends on the job you’re doing I suppose, most of my shift is spent on and off break and can legitimately be explained if questioned by the powers that be. Regardless, any time that is not working, driving or poa and that you could be reading a newspaper, eating your sandwiches etc, I can’t see any problem at all recording this under rest mode whether it be 1 minute or 14 minutes, I must do a print off from one of my busiest shifts 
and put it on here sometime.
cooper1203:
infringment says…my argument is that i finished before 08:50 on the 1st but even if i didnt i had 33 hours rest for my daily or even weekly rest (reduced)
FYI it’s impossible to have 33hrs as a daily rest.
That’s all I have, sorry… 
adam277:
I think that looks dodgy as [zb]. That is not good practice. Pretty sure a enforcement officer will ask why the [zb] you put it on break for 3 mins driving for a min then break again x 10 or however long your caught in traffic for.
An enforcement officers opinion matters not one iota as to whether it looks dodgy or not. Stationary and reading the Sun or perusing TNUK is recuperation which ever way you paint it, again it matters not one iota whether that be for one minute or one hour.
adam277:
toonsy:
Daani:
Im sure your aware but anything under 15 mins wont count as a break.
You will need a minimum 15 mins.Correct. Has to be a minimum of 15 minutes to count as a break.
BUT
You don’t have to show a break of 15 mins, you can show 3 minutes, 6, 9 12, whatever as those periods while not counting as a break don’t count as working time thus extending the window before requiring a WTD break.
I think that looks dodgy as [zb]. That is not good practice. Pretty sure a enforcement officer will ask why the [zb] you put it on break for 3 mins driving for a min then break again x 10 or however long your caught in traffic for.
@cooper. I may go over your charts later but either way, 9 hours 7 mins rest? cmon lol. This is like the norm for you now. Just stop pushing your hours and find a decent employer.
I have three reduced rests every week, and two of those days I use my 10 hour drive extension. Maxi g my hours benefits me, because I’m paid by the hour. Unfortunately on my last shift I struggle to get more than 10-11 hours, because when I get back to the yard, that’s me done.