An Expensive Poo

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Blissy:

Kerbdog:
So if you park up overnight in a MSA and you don’t pay, then you get a fine can you just ignore it. If so, why aren’t we all just telling the so called ‘security’ where to go with his parking ticket ?

I reckon if you did that you would wake up in the morning with a big yellow clamp on one of your front wheels , but if you parked up on an MSA for a short while and only got a ticket once you had left theres not really a lot they can do about it

Nothing a grinder in the side locker cant fix :smiley:

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Kerbdog:
So if you park up overnight in a MSA and you don’t pay, then you get a fine can you just ignore it. If so, why aren’t we all just telling the so called ‘security’ where to go with his parking ticket ?

A lot of the Moto sites don’t have a parking bod anymore, they rely on the parking eye ANPR cameras to track down non payers, you drive an Actros? what happens when you open the tow hitch compartment :wink: :grimacing:

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Big Joe:

Kerbdog:
So if you park up overnight in a MSA and you don’t pay, then you get a fine can you just ignore it. If so, why aren’t we all just telling the so called ‘security’ where to go with his parking ticket ?

A lot of the Moto sites don’t have a parking bod anymore, they rely on the parking eye ANPR cameras to track down non payers, you drive an Actros? what happens when you open the tow hitch compartment :wink: :grimacing:

That is the bit I dont understand, if the services are only using ANPR, how are they getting the owners information from DVLA?

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Wheel Nut:

Big Joe:

Kerbdog:
So if you park up overnight in a MSA and you don’t pay, then you get a fine can you just ignore it. If so, why aren’t we all just telling the so called ‘security’ where to go with his parking ticket ?

A lot of the Moto sites don’t have a parking bod anymore, they rely on the parking eye ANPR cameras to track down non payers, you drive an Actros? what happens when you open the tow hitch compartment :wink: :grimacing:

That is the bit I dont understand, if the services are only using ANPR, how are they getting the owners information from DVLA?

The so called private parking companies get registered at the DVLA, they then pay £2.50 and the registered keeper details of the vehicle are then given to them.
Its a government approved con you see :stuck_out_tongue:
The best advice is to file the tickets somewhere safe, then ignore. Do NOT make any contact with the parking companies at all. Do NOT appeal.

Their latest act is to track down the registered keepers phone number, so don’t give out ANY details if they call you.

SBD

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somerset bus driver:

Wheel Nut:

Big Joe:

Kerbdog:
So if you park up overnight in a MSA and you don’t pay, then you get a fine can you just ignore it. If so, why aren’t we all just telling the so called ‘security’ where to go with his parking ticket ?

A lot of the Moto sites don’t have a parking bod anymore, they rely on the parking eye ANPR cameras to track down non payers, you drive an Actros? what happens when you open the tow hitch compartment :wink: :grimacing:

That is the bit I dont understand, if the services are only using ANPR, how are they getting the owners information from DVLA?

The so called private parking companies get registered at the DVLA, they then pay £2.50 and the registered keeper details of the vehicle are then given to them.
Its a government approved con you see :stuck_out_tongue:
The best advice is to file the tickets somewhere safe, then ignore. Do NOT make any contact with the parking companies at all. Do NOT appeal.

Their latest act is to track down the registered keepers phone number, so don’t give out ANY details if they call you.

SBD

Cheers for that. I found the info here too.

The DVLA charges £2.50 a time for details from its ‘confidential’ database of 38million drivers.

Then car owners who have parked outside supermarkets, hospitals, hotels, airports and stations can be pursued for fines and fees often in excess of £500.

Income from the trade has risen every year from £4.7million in 2004-5 to £9.2million for 2009-10.

Motoring groups are alarmed at evidence of the sensitive data falling into the wrong hands as a result of parking, clamping and other barely vetted firms and individuals buying the details.

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I’ve been parking in the coach park quite a bit at South Mimms to use Waitrose, no problems yet thankfully, although with Irish plates it makes no difference if the do give me a ticket.

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Your man could always wait 'till next time he gets a bad case of Dehli belly and then post them that in lieu of his fine!

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i wrote to cp plus last year, i explained the following.

“if you clamp, or imobilise my vehicle, or any vehicle that i am responsible for, then the clamp or imobilising devise will become my property, and i will remove the clamp / imobilising devise in any way that i see fit. if you do not want me to take possession of your clamp / imobilising devise, then please instruct your staff/agents not to imobilise my vehicle, thanyou”.

so, all you have to do is send an email to them, print off said email as proof. then bobs your uncle.

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Is the coach park at south Mimms not an overflow for the truck park anyway?

I agree with those that say do nothing, don’t get in touch by any method, they don’t have the means to chase every ticket, they’re far too busy cashing the cheques of the people that are intimidated by them, to go after all the non payers takes up too much of their time & money, they know that dragging it through a small claims court will end up costing them more than the face value of the ticket so they don’t bother.

This whole parking ticket/wheel clamping thing is a bit strange, MSAs & public car parks are public rights of way, in exactly the same way as the roads are when it comes to drinking & driving/street racing etc & yet someone can claim them as their own property & issue fines to anyone who doesn’t follow the rules that they impose, how can this be? If it’s public land then only the local Constabulary can Police it surely?

I’ve only had a couple of experiences of this kind of thing, the first was when one of my drivers bought a 252.99 prawn sandwich from Tesco in Thurrock, he was a night man & was on his way back to the yard, it meant that I lost the job for the day man so I left the knobhead there all day until I eventually paid for the clamp to be removed & he had a light wage packet that Friday, a bit harsh maybe, but there are signs everywhere & I lost a days money from that lorry, had to pay the day man to sit watching Jerry Springer & had to do some severe sucking up to my customer, it could have been avoided by going to the nearby Circus Tavern to get his sarnie & not getting clamped in the process :unamused:

The other incident ended up with me being arrested for assault in Maidstone Services :open_mouth: The truck park was full to bursting, you couldn’t even get into it, part of the problem was caused by the ■■■■■■ that had camped out in the lorry park, they had well over half the spaces, anyway I needed a 45 so i parked in a coach bay, went & got a Wimpy & was sitting eating it when up limped the car park attendant, it was a summer day & I had my driver’s window open, yet he still felt the need to hammer on my door, well I’m not a fan of that at the best of times so it didn’t start off too well, he told me to move, told, not asked & started gobbing off, I said that I didn’t have a choice, I was on a break & the lorry park is full, he said so what or words to that effect & started writing me a ticket, I’d had enough by this point & jumped put, grabbed his ticket book & threw it in the bushes, got back in my lorry & got back to page 3, about 10mins later a copper walked up & asked me to get out the cab, so I did, at this point he arrested me :open_mouth: WTF? said I, he replied that an allegation of assault had been made & that I was in the doo doo, after about half an hour of explaining what had happened & what led up to it the plod was firmly on my side, he told me that the services had not made one single complaint about the ■■■■■■ in the lorry park & yet they were forever calling them out to arrest drivers for assaulting their staff, none of which had ever ended up in a prosecution :unamused: I was told to retrieve the ticket book from the bushes & apologise to the attendant, so I did & went on my way without a ticket, I did get one in the post, but that got recycled & I never heard any more :wink:

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if you only get a ticket ignore it, but don,t lie if you do enter into correspondance, alot of companys will either obtain CCTV footage or digital photograph…
if the guy verbally abuses you and you have witnesses contact SIA as these guys have to be licensed and are obliged to follow guidelines in the way they work with the public, enough complaints and the license willl be refused…

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try the forums on here pepipoo.com/ there’s quite a bit of information and there was a thread on CP plus about a year or so ago :wink: …good luck with that…i hate the ■■■■■!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

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quite an appropriate link Chris, PepiPOO bearing in mind the thread title :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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pepipoo.com/
have a read through this site.
never pay a parking ticket unless its from a council.
a 24 volt angle grinder is a great too to carry.
if you do grind a clamp off,take it with you,so you cant be done for criminal damage.
hopefully you wont be dont for theft,but read the website.

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i have heard the truckstop stories about guys cutting off the clamps padlocks and replacing them saying they cant be done for damage or theft but i think if they wanted you done they could, also heard the story about the irish drivers battering the clamper and knocking him out in southwaite then knicking his keys and unlocking themselves and taking off with the clamps, the best one i ever heard was the guy in kinross that got clamped, he got up in the morning and heres the clamp on the tag axle, of course he just lifted it and waved at the clamper as he left with the clamp still attached, yes truckstop stories do pas the time n cause a giggle

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Could have taken a photograph of said parking ticket stuck to the paintwork on the drivers door as you explained at the start,
then send an invoice to “parking company” claiming criminal damage to paintwork of truck door by the operative working on their behalf,
and invoiced them for said repairs /replenish/repaint cab door at a cost that would sure to be more than the £100 fee they were claiming for.
Four witnesses from the coach drivers and others who were taking part in the discussion in the coach park at time , as to who stuck it there , and bobs your uncle .
Or as said , ignore it , it`s a civil claim, let em argue the toss.

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scottishcruiser:
One of our drivers was caught short on the M25 yesterday, bad dose of the skitter, so off he pops into South Mimms to use there facilities. Claims the truck parking was ALL full so parked at the back of the coach parking area. Thought nothing off it as there were 2 other lorries in there (Manned) and also asked 2 coach drivers in there if there was a big Coach Driver Vs Truck Driver feud and if they minded him parking in there for 10-15mins whilst he went to un-soil himself… So always was good and my friend runs in like John Wayne, as he describes LOL @ approx 13.00. Does his business, buys a pint of milk and back out at approx 13.15, only to find a CP + Car Park Management fine stuck to his dorr, not his window BUT his drivers door for wait for it…

£100

Anyways off he goes to find this friendly parking attendant who thought his crap was worth £100 of the Queens finest only to find a Spotty, barely out of nappies train tracked teenager. He tries to explain the situation only for this little pubeless wonder to give him the most dogs abuse ever seen. Both coach drivers and lorry drivers jumped out and told this little dweeb to calm down and all 4 backed up our diver, saying it was a bit harsh blah blah blah… Anyways after 10mins of arguing, our driver had to bite his lip as he was going to obliviate this little nerd. I dare say many guys of 42yr old on this forum wouldnt stand abuse from a little JUST out of nappies teeny bopper.

So we tried phoning CP Parking this morning but they deals with tickets only in writing, which can take them up to 10 days to reply, yet youve only 14 days to pay.

So our driver is bemused (Spl) as to what to do…

Any ideas other than pay it?

Yeah. DON’T PAY IT!

I got snagged there about 3 years ago for exactly the same thing, was breaking my neck for the loo and knowing the coaches park right for the door headed straight there. Was sorting myself out for about 5 minutes when I came out there was a 4 eyed Hitler there writing his ticket out. I calmly explained that I’d been caught short and had only been 5 minutes. He took that as his cue to lecture me like a naughty schoolboy in the mistaken belief that I was somebody who really gave a ■■■■! I told him to ram his ■■■■■■■ ticket and called him a ■■■■ and took my leave. About 8 weeks later I got a letter from their solicitors via the firm. I told the firm in no uncertain terms I wasn’t going to pay a coin. They asked me to write a letter which I did explaining what had happened. Never heard anymore.

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For a first convicted offence of criminal damage you get a fine of £80, where as some companies want £300 to remove a clamp. Which is why some people choose to cut the clamp or padlock off.

I’m sure some guys have laminated notices in the drivers window, to the tune of “Any device, attached to the wheel or body of this vehicle, and designed to in any way restrict the movement or operation of said vehicle, will immediately become property of the driver and shall be disposed of at his/her wishes in any manner considered appropriate.”

I have actually seen one of these used in a window at Toddington (I think) but I’m sure some chaps on here had it too.

Does anyone know if its ever actually worked?

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a few years ago i used to work for a private parking company which looked after certain large store carparks and we had to issue tickets if the rules were broke,however i wasnt in the job long due to the fact that i didnt like what i had to do and also the way the company operated,i can tell you though that if i were that driver i would NOT pay that ticket,what you need to do is go back to south mimms services and get some photo’s of any signs that say about getting tickets,this helps if they go to court,9 out of 10 times the ticket will be squashed because these companies are just trying to make a quick profit from unsuspecting drivers rather than giving them out legit,have a look in your local phone book for a solicitor who specialises in this and hand it over to them,when this happens the carpark company will usually back down because they know they dont have a leg to stand on,whatever you do dont give in and pay because you are not in the wrong,sometimes having a word with the management of the service station can help because they employ these people and they have the power to overturn the ticket,thats how it worked with the company i worked for,if someone was not happy with the ticket they could speak to the store manager who had the final say,either way i hope it gets sorted ok for your driver.

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Unfortunately I don’t have the faith in the SIA or their licensing guidelines, it seems the only qualification you need is a tattoo and enough money for them, or the ability to scrawl your own name and a registration on a ticket and an inbuilt ability to be rude.

I certainly do not have faith in their engineering skills to wrap chains and clamps around truck wheels, especially with sensitive electronics and ABS sensors behind them.

How would the clamping company react to getting a bill from Volvo Truck and Bus or Scanlink to remove the wheel and check or replace a damaged sensor?