An ADR quiery.

[imp]

Last week one of our drivers was stopped by PC Plod and VOSA all was checked truck, trailer, documents the lot as he was under ADR rules at the time. Nothing was found wrong and PC even went so far as to commpliment the driver on the paperwork.
Today stopped agin this time in different area of the country, again full check but this time a issue arose.
The offical said to him (not sure if it was a VOSA or PC) that the trem cards were not correct due to not carrying a phone number to call in the event of an emergency■■?

As far as I remember the trem card should have the following info.

Name of product
UN number, and class
Nature of dangers
Precautions to take, and the treatment to be given in the event of contact
General actions by the driver in the event of fire or spill
How to minimise enviromental damage
Any special info about particular goods

No phone number is mentioned on a training manula I have flicked through.
So is this a new rule thats come in overnight but like normal we havent been told
Or is the officail wrong?

Diesel Dave over to you

[dave_1]

i thought they did have to have an emergency contact number
ive only really done petrol tankers and im sure they did have a number.
even the external marker boards have emergency numbers.

this link shows an example of a tremcard, with emergency contact number.

the-ncec.com/assets/ProductsAndS … issue1.pdf

[imp]

Certainly usually on tankers yeah but not up on tanks as never did that bit when I did mine. In our case though we transport various different products from various different manufacturers, many with same UN number etc but from different makers. So we could have one product made by micky mouse industrys on UN 1790 and another made by Fred Dibbnah accotiates on UN 1790 but one trem card fits the number, so who would the number ring?
Micky Mouse industries may be a 9 to 5 operation for example so nobody at the end of the phone.
.

[jon_lad]

Diesel Dave is your man for ADR questions…

[bikemonkey]

Imp:
Certainly usually on tankers yeah but not up on tanks as never did that bit when I did mine. In our case though we transport various different products from various different manufacturers, many with same UN number etc but from different makers. So we could have one product made by micky mouse industrys on UN 1790 and another made by Fred Dibbnah accotiates on UN 1790 but one trem card fits the number, so who would the number ring?
Micky Mouse industries may be a 9 to 5 operation for example so nobody at the end of the phone.
.

as far as im aware you should have at least 1 emergency contact number with 1 of the tremcards.
I had 3 different products the other day,only 1 trem card had Emergency Contact number.
im sure I’ll be corrected if im wrong

[dieseldave]

Imp:
Last week one of our drivers was stopped by PC Plod and VOSA all was checked truck, trailer, documents the lot as he was under ADR rules at the time. Nothing was found wrong and PC even went so far as to commpliment the driver on the paperwork.
Today stopped agin this time in different area of the country, again full check but this time a issue arose.
The offical said to him (not sure if it was a VOSA or PC) that the trem cards were not correct due to not carrying a phone number to call in the event of an emergency■■?

Hi Imp, It’s not that often that this one comes up, but the answer is that there’s no requirement in ADR for a “Tremcard” to have a 'phone number.

ADR does allow for 'phone numbers to be added under the heading of “additional information,” so if the consignor wishes to put a 'phone number, then it’s allowed. ADR doesn’t have a blanket ruling one way or the other on the subject of 'phone numbers.

Imp:
As far as I remember the trem card should have the following info.

Name of product
UN number, and class
Physical description of the goods. (What the “stuff” looks like.)
A list of the PPE and any intervention equipment required for the “stuff.” (This must be carried on the vehicle.)
Nature of dangers
Precautions to take, and the treatment to be given in the event of contact
General actions by the driver in the event of fire or spill
How to minimise enviromental damage
Any special info about particular goods

Blimey Imp, you have a good memory.
I’ve put a couple of extra (red) bits in for you.

Imp:
No phone number is mentioned on a training manula I have [zb] through.

That manual might not be as bad as you think.

Imp:
So is this a new rule thats come in overnight but like normal we havent been told

In theory, the rules change every two years. The UK regs tell us that we’re to obey ADR as far as “Tremcards” are concerned, and there’s no mention of anything being different in the current 2007 ADR.

Imp:
Or is the officail wrong?

Most probably…

If anybody receives a summons for this, would you please let me know.■■

[imp]

Thanks Dave. The manual isnt bad I flicked through it but swear filter must not like f.l.i.c.k.e.d.
Think our TM spoke to our DGSA and let him sort it out. Hopefully he will come up with same answer! LOL
Have seen trems with phone numbers on but ours from base dont have for sure, we carry a folder full of them as we have countless UN numbers. Get issued correct ones daily but folder is a just incase back up.
For example we have on place we collect from where the prat in charge says we dont need to be issued with a trem card for the product we collect when we blatently do as one full pallet of the stuff puts you in scope of the regs.

[dieseldave]

dave:
i thought they did have to have an emergency contact number
ive only really done petrol tankers and im sure they did have a number.

Answered above, I hope.

dave:
even the external marker boards have emergency numbers.

You’re spot-on there dave, that’s a requirement in the UK regs, but NOT in ADR.

Our UK Regs regarding tankers are quite different in some respects to ADR. We have the idea of a large warning sign on the sides and rear of tankers, whereas the rest of the ADR countries use the 400 x 300 orange plate, with a slightly different way of marking them. Normally, these are only placed on the front and rear of a tanker. Additionally, a placard (diamond) of 250 x 250 is placed on both sides and the rear., but NO phone number is required for an ADR (international) journey.

If dangerous goods are being carried in a UK tanker, a telephone number where specialist advice concerning the dangerous goods in question can be obtained in English at any time during carriage shall be displayed at the rear and on both sides of the tank. Usually, this requirement is met by incorporating the 'phone number on the 700 x 400 hazard warning panels.

As you’ll see, a call-center in a foreign country wouldn’t quite be good enough.

dave:
this link shows an example of a tremcard, with emergency contact number.
the-ncec.com/assets/ProductsAndS … issue1.pdf

Yes dave, there’s no problem putting a 'phone number on a “Tremcard,” but it’s not a blanket requirement.

[imp]

Dave our independant DGSA said excatly the same as you. Theres is no requierment to have a number on them. But did hint that changes may be afoot for 2009 regarding trem cards.
Our standar trems have at the bottom Emergency Number but no numbers so that may lead to confusion.

[dave_1]

dieseldave:

dave:
i thought they did have to have an emergency contact number
ive only really done petrol tankers and im sure they did have a number.

Answered above, I hope.

dave:
even the external marker boards have emergency numbers.

You’re spot-on there dave, that’s a requirement in the UK regs, but NOT in ADR.

Our UK Regs regarding tankers are quite different in some respects to ADR. We have the idea of a large warning sign on the sides and rear of tankers, whereas the rest of the ADR countries use the 400 x 300 orange plate, with a slightly different way of marking them. Normally, these are only placed on the front and rear of a tanker. Additionally, a placard (diamond) of 250 x 250 is placed on both sides and the rear., but NO phone number is required for an ADR (international) journey.

If dangerous goods are being carried in a UK tanker, a telephone number where specialist advice concerning the dangerous goods in question can be obtained in English at any time during carriage shall be displayed at the rear and on both sides of the tank. Usually, this requirement is met by incorporating the 'phone number on the 700 x 400 hazard warning panels.

As you’ll see, a call-center in a foreign country wouldn’t quite be good enough.

dave:
this link shows an example of a tremcard, with emergency contact number.
the-ncec.com/assets/ProductsAndS … issue1.pdf

Yes dave, there’s no problem putting a 'phone number on a “Tremcard,” but it’s not a blanket requirement.

cheers dave,
im definetly rusty on this subject. its been a few years now since my adr expired, but still interesting reading

[brit_pete]

Right over here in germany you will
have on the ““written instructions””
SCHRIFFLICHE ANWEISUNG
as its now known in germany
at the bottom a contact no by the majority
of large chemical firms, they will–may, have
issued as well a folder containing the
contact no,s for those couuntry you will
pass through,WHERE you can get
in touch with some one who also speaks
the language of the driver,and who can–will take
all appropriate action required in a emergencey