albion:
Why the big need for certainty? All of life is a bit of a gamble, though humans don’t generally like to admit that it is all chaos.
Maybe you will be married and celebrate your 60th wedding anniversary; maybe tonight you will find out that Bill next door is more friendly with your wife than you realised.
Maybe whilst puffing away on 60 a day and downing a bottle of vodka your genes are such that at 90 you will be still at home fully compos mentis; maybe at 44 you will find that cancer doesn’t care that you ate 5 portions and ran every day.
Maybe you will drive a dustcart and miss that elusive Euro gig but never understand why…
Maybe Brexit will work out, maybe it won’t (personally I think nothing much will change in terms of the economy in the long term, though nice to see share are riding particularly high at the moment). Maybe the EU will have a long history, maybe all the other people in various countries that are discontent with the EU will walk away. There are plenty of French, Finnish, Italians, Poles etc that would like to leave.
I think I’m more comfortable with uncertainty than many, no one in their right mind starts a haulage company if they like certainty.
I also think the current situation, not just in the UK, has highlighted how far away the EU is from compromise. I think I’m right in saying that had the EU reined in their superstate ambitions and being more like the trading bloc that we thought we had signed up to in the 70s, they wouldn’t have half the trouble they have now.
Why the need for certainty? I guess as individuals we don’t need it too much because as you say that’s life, but the big businesses that the country need, trying to work out whether they want to enter into the next multi million pound contract but are finding it difficult to make decisions like that due to the mess and uncertainty. I guess they need much more certainty than an individual does to enable to make decisions on how to drive that business forward.
And I agree also in that I think if a deal is done it will be a soft brexit and nothing much will actually change and I suspect those that voted leave will feel it’s not a proper brexit and will still feel betrayed and continue campaigning. If we crash out with no deal then that could be a different story.
If you are a business who’s taken advantage of opening up new markets overseas with new customers etc who like your currently low prices…
If this “ongoing limbo continues forever” -then that is clearly GOOD for that business.
If Brexit gets cancelled, or is actually implemented - the pound goes back UP, and that business now cancels their future orders as now being “too expensive”…
Thus, such business has already reacted to what IS rather than what might be…
“No Change”.
Change means expense and preparations must be made.
Preparing for NO change - is as much a strategy as preparing for Brexit Itself then, I suggest…
albion:
Why the big need for certainty? All of life is a bit of a gamble, though humans don’t generally like to admit that it is all chaos.
Maybe you will be married and celebrate your 60th wedding anniversary; maybe tonight you will find out that Bill next door is more friendly with your wife than you realised.
Maybe whilst puffing away on 60 a day and downing a bottle of vodka your genes are such that at 90 you will be still at home fully compos mentis; maybe at 44 you will find that cancer doesn’t care that you ate 5 portions and ran every day.
Maybe you will drive a dustcart and miss that elusive Euro gig but never understand why…
Maybe Brexit will work out, maybe it won’t (personally I think nothing much will change in terms of the economy in the long term, though nice to see share are riding particularly high at the moment). Maybe the EU will have a long history, maybe all the other people in various countries that are discontent with the EU will walk away. There are plenty of French, Finnish, Italians, Poles etc that would like to leave.
I think I’m more comfortable with uncertainty than many, no one in their right mind starts a haulage company if they like certainty.
I also think the current situation, not just in the UK, has highlighted how far away the EU is from compromise. I think I’m right in saying that had the EU reined in their superstate ambitions and being more like the trading bloc that we thought we had signed up to in the 70s, they wouldn’t have half the trouble they have now.
Why the need for certainty? I guess as individuals we don’t need it too much because as you say that’s life, but the big businesses that the country need, trying to work out whether they want to enter into the next multi million pound contract but are finding it difficult to make decisions like that due to the mess and uncertainty. I guess they need much more certainty than an individual does to enable to make decisions on how to drive that business forward.
And I agree also in that I think if a deal is done it will be a soft brexit and nothing much will actually change and I suspect those that voted leave will feel it’s not a proper brexit and will still feel betrayed and continue campaigning. If we crash out with no deal then that could be a different story.
I agree on needing to know what direction you are heading into, that’s my gripe about the level of dithering the last 3 years, no one had the balls to negotiate hard. However once you have your direction, it’s still up on the air what the outcome will be.
Soft Brexit IMO, is a waste of time. Second rule of life, if you are going to do something, then do it. A soft Brexit is pointless.
Soft brexit is pointless for those that want to leave. For those that wanted to remain it will be the next best thing. But then for leavers they will feel betrayed as it won’t be a proper brexit and this thing will just go on and on and on and on. As previously said, the result now needs to be honoured PROPERLY and everyone needs to come together to make the best of that. Moaning from one side and gloating from the other doesn’t help anything it just makes the divide and broken country worse.
Rowley010:
I saw an interview with Nigel farage the other morning. He basically said the boris deal is a shockingly poor deal but it doesn’t matter as long as we leave. Really? Does everyone really want to leave that much that they are happy with a poor deal now as long as we leave?
Yes I wanted to remain. No I’m not a remoaner, I accept the result. Am I happy it about it? No. But I agree the result needs to be honoured. But i don’t understand how people have become so obsessed with brexit and making sure we leave that a bad deal is acceptable as long as we leave.
Be patient mate, you will soon understand.
When you are driving your wagon for minimum wage.
What do you mean by that
You wanted to understand the obsession with Brexit and leaving with a bad deal. A worse deal is having uncontrolled immigration and we have seen it in our job taking a toll on wages. Drivers are leaving in their droves and yet waves of EE drivers simply backfill the positions available and so the cycle continues.
There is NO driver shortage whatsoever and NEVER will be as long as there is a plentiful supply of cheap labour. So if things continue as they are, it won’t be long before some wagon driving jobs will be minimum wage. In some parts of the Country the wage for Class 2 is ALREADY barely above minimum wage, it’s a sad and pathetic state of affairs.
It still baffles me as to why Remaining seems so popular…?
I agree there’s no point in Brexit if it is a “soft” one, as a Soft Brexit essentially means “not hurting the EU” which means in turn “not helping the UK”.
It IS a nil-sum proposition after all.
We’ve been bleeding our cash and prosperity off to the EU for four decades, and we now want our money back.
The EU COULD have met us halfway by this point, like they did for Thatcher, and like Virgin Media or Sky would do when you press the “I am thinking of leaving us” button on the dial-up line.
“If you stay in, we’ll double your rebate”
or
"If you stay in, we’ll reduce your contributions, and push forward a Big Government austerity budget on OUR side of the channel to take some heat off your hapless voters who are sick to death of “Austerity” whilst we sup champagne day and night… (Well not actually ‘nights’, as we work 8-4 monday-friday for 248,000 Euros salary…)
Now because they’ve offered us NO concessions all along for nearly 4 years now - We have the choice of a full 100% EU-harming Brexit and UK profiting one - OR “No Brexit At All”.
Can nobody else see what he’s doing hes putting the eu under pressure why because it was the eu before who said no change deal done
Hes now putting it back at them because the uk is one of the biggest in Europe they hold all the cards now it’s just brilliant common sense the table has turned from been protraded as a dope to being in the best place
possible
brilliant
The EU will not ever want to lose the UK as a partner
Looking good and it’s about time even if it took a baffon to get it there
The EU won’t be offering any concessions - unless Boris takes his current deal off the table first, and then pushes for WTO or No Deal BY January 31st, rather than December 31st next year…
Winseer:
The EU won’t be offering any concessions - unless Boris takes his current deal off the table first, and then pushes for WTO or No Deal BY January 31st, rather than December 31st next year…
You are totally wrong wait and see it’s all changed now he has a majority they will ■■■■ there pants and change in some way you would have to be living under a blanket not to see that they need the uk in some form
And he’s playing the game now with all the cards
It sticks out a mile
Winseer:
The EU won’t be offering any concessions - unless Boris takes his current deal off the table first, and then pushes for WTO or No Deal BY January 31st, rather than December 31st next year…
You are totally wrong wait and see it’s all changed now he has a majority they will [zb] there pants and change in some way you would have to be living under a blanket not to see that they need the uk in some form
And he’s playing the game now with all the cards
It sticks out a mile
Ok, now that he has a majority I’ll wait and see.
Shouldn’t have to wait too long though, we’re going to be out in 6 weeks.
His deal, his terms, his stamp of authority. Go Boris. He’s got the whole Brexit mess done and dusted.
Phew, it was a close thing but the posh Etonian [zb] sorted it out. Praise the Lord.
Winseer:
The EU won’t be offering any concessions - unless Boris takes his current deal off the table first, and then pushes for WTO or No Deal BY January 31st, rather than December 31st next year…
You are totally wrong wait and see it’s all changed now he has a majority they will [zb] there pants and change in some way you would have to be living under a blanket not to see that they need the uk in some form
And he’s playing the game now with all the cards
It sticks out a mile
Ok, now that he has a majority I’ll wait and see.
Shouldn’t have to wait too long though, we’re going to be out in 6 weeks.
His deal, his terms, his stamp of authority. Go Boris. He’s got the whole Brexit mess done and dusted.
Phew, it was a close thing but the posh Etonian [zb] sorted it out. Praise the Lord.
It’s nothing to do with him it’s the power in his hands it’s the power the UK has now before up till now the EU knew there was never going to be a majority or hard line
The table has turned
Rowley010:
I saw an interview with Nigel farage the other morning. He basically said the boris deal is a shockingly poor deal but it doesn’t matter as long as we leave. Really? Does everyone really want to leave that much that they are happy with a poor deal now as long as we leave?
Yes I wanted to remain. No I’m not a remoaner, I accept the result. Am I happy it about it? No. But I agree the result needs to be honoured. But i don’t understand how people have become so obsessed with brexit and making sure we leave that a bad deal is acceptable as long as we leave.
Be patient mate, you will soon understand.
When you are driving your wagon for minimum wage.
What do you mean by that
You wanted to understand the obsession with Brexit and leaving with a bad deal. A worse deal is having uncontrolled immigration and we have seen it in our job taking a toll on wages. Drivers are leaving in their droves and yet waves of EE drivers simply backfill the positions available and so the cycle continues.
There is NO driver shortage whatsoever and NEVER will be as long as there is a plentiful supply of cheap labour. So if things continue as they are, it won’t be long before some wagon driving jobs will be minimum wage. In some parts of the Country the wage for Class 2 is ALREADY barely above minimum wage, it’s a sad and pathetic state of affairs.
So how sure are you that a bad deal would change that? The deal might make no difference in that department which is why it would be called a bad deal.
The E.U. will see this as a wake up call. After we go other strong economy Countries will follow they will be left with the basket cases of Greece ,Spain and Italy.
Winseer:
The EU won’t be offering any concessions - unless Boris takes his current deal off the table first, and then pushes for WTO or No Deal BY January 31st, rather than December 31st next year…
You are totally wrong wait and see it’s all changed now he has a majority they will [zb] there pants and change in some way you would have to be living under a blanket not to see that they need the uk in some form
And he’s playing the game now with all the cards
It sticks out a mile
What are you getting at here? That Boris isn’t going to leave, that he’s just going to remain and get as bigger concession as possible for doing so■■?
Would he be daft enough to take THAT chance so soon into his fresh majority government tenure■■?
The only thing that Leavers would accept as a “Price worth paying for remaining” at this point - is the EU pays the UK £1billion per month to stay in.
…Can’t see them doing that, bearing in mind that they have no intention of ever letting us off the hook for the £1billion a month we’re still paying THEM nearly four years on…
Too many bribes paid, Too many “jobs for life” civil servants, Too many (currently wealthy) people that would have to be sent to the poor house if a harder form of Brexit ever occured…
Winseer:
The EU won’t be offering any concessions - unless Boris takes his current deal off the table first, and then pushes for WTO or No Deal BY January 31st, rather than December 31st next year…
You are totally wrong wait and see it’s all changed now he has a majority they will [zb] there pants and change in some way you would have to be living under a blanket not to see that they need the uk in some form
And he’s playing the game now with all the cards
It sticks out a mile
Ok, now that he has a majority I’ll wait and see.
Shouldn’t have to wait too long though, we’re going to be out in 6 weeks.
His deal, his terms, his stamp of authority. Go Boris. He’s got the whole Brexit mess done and dusted.
Phew, it was a close thing but the posh Etonian [zb] sorted it out. Praise the Lord.
“[zb]”? - Is that how wen verbally alights it at Eton old chep?
I personally think in time it’s the start of the finishing of the EU, way down the Road but the fire has been lit and it’s a slow burner
To service a country with high employment you would always need to import people from other countries has been like that for years and it’s been done for years just look around you wherever you are, even going back 40 or more years, the country slowly starts to lose its identity, uniqueness, and a lot more
The question is where they are going to be sourced from now
If you went to Africa would you not see a multy culture
If you went to India would you would not see a multy culture
If you went to Pakistan would not see a multy culture if you went to the Arab countrys you would you see a multy culture, and there would be a lot more like that
The rot started years ago and it’s gone to far now to be worrying about people coming in and lowering your standards of life the boat has sailed on that
Could you imagine a taxi driver with a head band picking up someone in northern Ireland being of a certain kind they would be shot before the cab moved a second
alamcculloch:
The E.U. will see this as a wake up call. After we go other strong economy Countries will follow they will be left with the basket cases of Greece ,Spain and Italy.
That is why they gave little quarter in negotiations, in case it started a domino effect leading to the collapse of the gravy train…they were sh.scared.
However all Boris’s bargaining power went down the crapper because of the likes of has beens like Blair and Major advocating their ‘‘second referendum’’ (or third and fourth to they got the result that THEY wanted. ) and all the other whinging remainers in Parliament voting against everything,.and certain members of the public encouraging them.
Then we did have the ‘‘second referendum’’ it was called the ‘‘General Election’’ …So hopefully those shower will now shut the ■■■■ up, and let Boris get on with the will of the people…better late than never eh?
And if that domino effect does occur, who this side of the channel will give a ■■■■, …they have had it too good too long with their snouts in the trough.
) and all the other whinging remainers in Parliament voting against everything,.and certain members of the public encouraging them.