All Dcpc courses are regarded as OTHER WORK

This might get some comments…

From the resident VOSA expert on this site…

geebee45:
Put simply, it doesn’t matter where the dCPC training is undertaken or whether the driver is being paid to attend the course or who pays the course fees; driver or employer, the course time cannot be counted as rest under the EU drivers hours rules.

If you want the detail. EC 561 gives the definitions of; driving time, other work, rest and break. As we all know, ‘rest’ is the period during which a driver may freely dispose of his (or her) time. Being on a compulsory training course doesn’t fit with that definition. ‘Break,’ cannot be claimed as a driver cannot do any ‘driving’ or ‘work’ on a break.

The definition of ‘other work’ in '561 refers back to 2002/15 (EC) our old friend that gave us the Road Transport Working Time Regulations in April 2005. If you look at Article 3 you will find the following definition of work;

‘working time’ shall mean:

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:
    – the time devoted to all road transport activities.
    These activities are, in particular, the following:
    (i) driving;
    (ii) loading and unloading;
    (iii) assisting passengers boarding and disembarking
    from the vehicle;
    (iv) cleaning and technical maintenance;
    (v) all other work intended to ensure the safety of
    the vehicle, its cargo and passengers or to fulfil
    the legal or regulatory obligations directly
    linked to the specific transport operation under
    way, including monitoring of loading and
    unloading, administrative formalities with
    police, customs, immigration officers etc.

I’ve put the important bit in part 5 in red.

The dCPC is a legal obligation for drivers that wish to use their vocational licence commercially. Therefore the time is ‘other work,’ needs to be recorded as such and cannot be counted as ‘rest’ under the EU drivers hours rules. It also needs recording under the aforementioned RT(WT)R as ‘working time’ and would count towards the maximum ‘working time’ of 60 hours per week or 48 average.

NOTE: - That other work (the Dcpc course) will now have to be recorded on a digi tacho, seperate printout or on a seperate analogue chart - each record must contain name, date, start & finish time.

THE PERIODIC (ongoing) DRIVER CPC

I wonder how many were thinking of doing courses on a Saturday morning for example during their weekend break and thinking that it did not count ■■ - I did :open_mouth: as I was originally informed that if a driver paid for it and did it in their own time then it did not count as OTHER WORK - that is obviously not the case…

So not only do many of us have to pay for it, to stay legal we have to take a day off work aswell? This CPC is just fantastic

Steve-o:
So not only do many of us have to pay for it, to stay legal we have to take a day off work aswell? This CPC is just fantastic

Not necessarily - lets say a driver has a full weekly rest most weeks then doing a Dcpc course for one day (8 hours from start to finish) on one of those days off is unlikely to cause much of a problem as it would probably mean the driver having a reduced weekly rest (at least 24 consecutive hours off)

The other work would count towards the average 48 but no authority seems to check on that anyway unless a major incident occurs…

The course isnt on card so how are they gonna prove it at the side of the road, nothing to see here governor move along :wink:

ROG:
This might get some comments…

geebee45:
The definition of ‘other work’ in '561 refers back to 2002/15 (EC) our old friend that gave us the Road Transport Working Time Regulations in April 2005. If you look at Article 3 you will find the following definition of work;

‘working time’ shall mean:
/snip
(iv) cleaning and technical maintenance;
(v) all other work intended to ensure the safety of
the vehicle, its cargo and passengers or to fulfil
the legal or regulatory obligations directly
linked to the specific transport operation under
way, including monitoring of loading and
unloading, administrative formalities with
police, customs, immigration officers etc.

I’ve put the important bit in part 5 in red.

I agree on one hand with the general rule of thumb that training courses are other work, but (just to play devil’s eggnog) . . . . . . . .

I can’t help wonder whether a nit-picking wordsmith defence lawyer wouldn’t be able find mileage in the term “transport operation under way

■■?

:cry: :cry: :cry:

I’m disappointed you now know the truth, it’s been fun watching you dig yourself into that hole telling everybody it wasn’t other work if A+B=C over the last few months, and slightly satisfying because I believe it was me who set you off down that road with a couple of sneaky posts. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :sunglasses: I was keeping count of the number of times you posted it but unfortunately lost count a while back.

Time to find something else to confuse you with now. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Coffeeholic:
:cry: :cry: :cry:

I’m disappointed you now know the truth, it’s been fun watching you dig yourself into that hole telling everybody it wasn’t other work if A+B=C over the last few months, and slightly satisfying because I believe it was me who set you off down that road with a couple of sneaky posts. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :sunglasses: I was keeping count of the number of times you posted it but unfortunately lost count a while back.

Time to find something else to confuse you with now. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

I got told by my local VOSA that it was not other work if the driver paid and did it in their own time so I did take the time to check the info - not my fault if I was given the wrong info by those that are supposed to be in the know…

So is reading the comercial motor while on break is other work ,just have to read the sun

I knew this cause ive done my cpc (first 8 hrs) and i was told this at the start of the day.