Will start with bombing then an invasion(as in Iraq)
Now I dont really give a dam but please lets not have the same thing as happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.
All the “heroes” coming home and telling us that they were the “victims”
xichrisxi:
I’ve seen a video online that shows a small villages being hit by the French military,it’s shows petrified children running around not knowing where to hide while French fighter jets fly overhead,screaming kids trapped under rubble in buildings hit by the bombs dropped and children pulled from the ruins that didn’t make it,it’s not a very nice thing to see at all and it shows the"other" side of when the French president went on TV to tell everyone they had dropped 20bombs “on ISIS”,imo dropping bombs out of planes claims far too many innocent lives and although yes Isis does need dealing with I don’t believe that’s the correct way.
I guess the parents in France that were killed ,also children of parents killed in France , may have been petrified ! Running around , trying to hide, bullets flying , etc etc , dog eat dog world , fighters survive .
atlas man:
No because history shows us bombing alone does not work, you would have to send ground forces in as well
No need for that, because Syrian army will do it. Like right now they are gaining more and more ground, after Russia started bleeding IS. Assad Government forces were able to cut IS stronghold Raqqa highway, and supplies are not going to be delivered to the terrorist.
sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 … state.html
The problem(politically in the West) is that by bombing IS you help Assad stay in power, who the West claims must go and there is no defeating terrorism in Syria without it rightful leader. Now the West has to come clean about its support for FSA(Free Syrian Army - rebels) many of whom join IS, agree that was mistake and start bombing them. We don’t need second Iraq, do we.
Dolph:
The problem(politically in the West) is that by bombing IS you help Assad stay in power, who the West claims must go and there is no defeating terrorism in Syria without it rightful leader. Now the West has to come clean about its support for FSA(Free Syrian Army - rebels) many of whom join IS, agree that was mistake and start bombing them. We don’t need second Iraq, do we.
Firstly it’s no secret that ‘the West’ has a mad foreign policy of differentiating different supposed opposing factions of the Jihadist cause.When it’s all the same murderous expansionist ideology.Probably starting at the point where we armed the Saudis to the teeth and supported Jihad in Afghanistan against Russia.
The fact is both Russia and the West have fallen into the trap of using ( supposedly ) opposing Arab factions to fight a proxy war.The Russians arguably being more to blame for that by historically starting the process in arming the Arabs to the teeth to defeat Israel.The biggest problem in all that now being Russia’s continuing support for Iran and the West’s support of Turkey and Saudi.Which the Jihadists are taking advantage of.Probably to the point where Iran and Saudi will develop nuclear weapons,then show their true colours in uniting with each other assuming they don’t do it before that point. 
How many countries bombing?
Let me try to get this right. The Saudis are bombing Yemen because they fear the Shia Houthis are working for the Iranians. The Saudis are also bombing Isis in Iraq and the Isis in Syria. So are the United Arab Emirates. The Syrian government is bombing its enemies in Syria and the Iraqi government is also bombing its enemies in Iraq. America, France, Britain, Denmark, Holland, Australia and – believe it or not – Canada are bombing Isis in Syria and Isis in Iraq, partly on behalf of the Iraqi government (for which read Shia militias) but absolutely not on behalf of the Syrian government.
The Jordanians and Saudis and Bahrainis are also bombing Isis in Syria and Iraq because they don’t like them, but the Jordanians are bombing Isis even more than the Saudis after their pilot-prisoner was burned to death in a cage. The Egyptians are bombing parts of Libya because a group of Christian Egyptians had their heads chopped off by what might – notionally – be the same so-called Islamic State, as Isis refers to itself. The Iranians have acknowledged bombing Isis in Iraq – of which the Americans (but not the Iraqi government) take a rather dim view. And of course the Israelis have several times bombed Syrian government forces in Syria but not Isis (an interesting choice, we’d all agree). Chocks away!
It amazes me that all these warriors of the air don’t regularly crash into each other as they go on bombing and bombing. And since Lebanon’s Middle East Airlines is the only international carrier still flying over Syria – but not, thank heavens, over Isis’s Syrian capital of Raqqa – I’m even more amazed that my flights from Beirut to the Gulf have gone untouched by the blitz boys of so many Arab and Western states as they career around the skies of Mesopotamia and the Levant.
middle eastern countries will be looking at the receipts for all their american hardware and thinking “we never use these things…they are almost out of date!”
also No to bombing ISIS… we need more of the special forces that are already there
If it’s supposedly all about a bombing campaign against IS which doesn’t have an air force why the need for air superiority fighters ?.That and the recent Turkish actions looks like a different agenda which will sooner or later be guaranteed to pish off the Russians.Cameron and all those deluded MP’s who voted with him really are nutters. 
carlhannon66:
xichrisxi:
I’ve seen a video online that shows a small villages being hit by the French military,it’s shows petrified children running around not knowing where to hide while French fighter jets fly overhead,screaming kids trapped under rubble in buildings hit by the bombs dropped and children pulled from the ruins that didn’t make it,it’s not a very nice thing to see at all and it shows the"other" side of when the French president went on TV to tell everyone they had dropped 20bombs “on ISIS”,imo dropping bombs out of planes claims far too many innocent lives and although yes Isis does need dealing with I don’t believe that’s the correct way.I guess the parents in France that were killed ,also children of parents killed in France , may have been petrified ! Running around , trying to hide, bullets flying , etc etc , dog eat dog world , fighters survive .
And all those mobile phones yet not one video or selfie has hit facecloth,■■■■■■■ or you tube.
Odd dont you think.
If some bugger ■■■■■ in church its all over the “social media” within minutes.
Sorry somebody did tell us that the “death” toll was over 120 and over 300 wounded on ■■■■■■■■■■■■ problem was that it was posted on the 11th of November. 2 days before the “incident” occured ■■?
Why aren’t truckers and ex truckers running this country, as most seem to have the definite answer ? (or think they have)
raymundo:
Why aren’t truckers and ex truckers running this country, as most seem to have the definite answer ? (or think they have)
I’m no expert but Typhoons in Syrian airspace can only end in tears if/when Putin raises the same questions among his generals as I have.IS doesn’t have an airforce so why are they there and what is their potential opposition supposed to be ?.
On that note it’s only a matter of time until Putin and Assad order what is an obvious different NATO agenda out of Syrian airspace or face being shot down by Russian SAM’s or Russian/Syrian airforces,then what.
No surprise that none of the MP’s opposing Cameron seemed to be bright enough to ask the question why the need for NATO fighters in the Syrian theatre and what is their mission.
raymundo:
Why aren’t truckers and ex truckers running this country, as most seem to have the definite answer ? (or think they have)
Because it’s easier to stare out of a big window driving down the road, or sit on a sofa googling facts, while moaning about everything rather than getting off ones backside & doing something. If some on here were as smart as they think, they’d be able to convince enough people to get them into parliament, unless they’re farage of course.
Find out which way your MP voted bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34987921
carlhannon66:
xichrisxi:
I’ve seen a video online that shows a small villages being hit by the French military,it’s shows petrified children running around not knowing where to hide while French fighter jets fly overhead,screaming kids trapped under rubble in buildings hit by the bombs dropped and children pulled from the ruins that didn’t make it,it’s not a very nice thing to see at all and it shows the"other" side of when the French president went on TV to tell everyone they had dropped 20bombs “on ISIS”,imo dropping bombs out of planes claims far too many innocent lives and although yes Isis does need dealing with I don’t believe that’s the correct way.I guess the parents in France that were killed ,also children of parents killed in France , may have been petrified ! Running around , trying to hide, bullets flying , etc etc , dog eat dog world , fighters survive .
Those poor people killed in France were butchered by scum terrorists who set out to kills as many people as they could as their one and only aim,dropping bombs from aircraft into built up areas is completely different,it’s hardly a targeted attack on individuals like the Paris atrocities…for example would you be ok if your family got wiped out by a RAF jet because their actual target lived next door so they dropped a bomb on his house with the resulting colleteral damage?
xichrisxi:
Those poor people killed in France were butchered by scum terrorists who set out to kills as many people as they could as their one and only aim,dropping bombs from aircraft into built up areas is completely different,it’s hardly a targeted attack on individuals like the Paris atrocities…for example would you be ok if your family got wiped out by a RAF jet because their actual target lived next door so they dropped a bomb on his house with the resulting colleteral damage?
It’s reached the point where it’s reasonable to assume that we are dealing with a widespread view among the Islamic world which is based on medieval savagery and which is hostile and a danger to us.On that note my problem with our actions is that they don’t go anywhere near far enough in dealing with the issue and in this case seem to have more to do with an agenda related to NATO v Russian interest animosities than fighting Islam.Fighting Islam in this case means that I don’t give a zb about so called ‘collateral’ casualties in a war which ‘should’ be a case of taking out as many Iranians and Saudis as it takes in a strategic attack to put these savages in their place having first given them the opportunity to disarm or die.In just the same way as my wartime generation parents and grandparents didn’t give a zb how many combatant,or so called ‘innocent’,Germans had to be killed to defeat Hitler and his equally savage ■■■■ ideology.
On that note full marks for Hilary Benn’s speech.But in that case,like Cameron, he’s obviously fighting the wrong war,in the wrong place,in the wrong way.
xichrisxi:
I’ve seen a video online that shows a small villages being hit by the French military,it’s shows petrified children running around not knowing where to hide while French fighter jets fly overhead,screaming kids trapped under rubble in buildings hit by the bombs dropped and children pulled from the ruins that didn’t make it,it’s not a very nice thing to see at all and it shows the"other" side of when the French president went on TV to tell everyone they had dropped 20bombs “on ISIS”,imo dropping bombs out of planes claims far too many innocent lives and although yes Isis does need dealing with I don’t believe that’s the correct way.
collateral damage…nuke em so they have no country to go back t,then pick them off as and when but hopefully before they can breed another generation of the same.
Carryfast:
it’s only a matter of time until Putin and Assad order what is an obvious different NATO agenda out of Syrian airspace or face being shot down by Russian SAM’s.
US air force are scared of the S-400. be interesting to see if and when it shoots down a coalition plane…
don’t go here…
dieseldog999:
but hopefully before they can breed another generation of the same.
you can’t kill an idea mate.
dieseldog999:
xichrisxi:
I’ve seen a video online that shows a small villages being hit by the French military,it’s shows petrified children running around not knowing where to hide while French fighter jets fly overhead,screaming kids trapped under rubble in buildings hit by the bombs dropped and children pulled from the ruins that didn’t make it,it’s not a very nice thing to see at all and it shows the"other" side of when the French president went on TV to tell everyone they had dropped 20bombs “on ISIS”,imo dropping bombs out of planes claims far too many innocent lives and although yes Isis does need dealing with I don’t believe that’s the correct way.collateral damage…nuke em so they have no country to go back t,then pick them off as and when but hopefully before they can breed another generation of the same.
To be fair I was thinking more along the lines of nuke tipped Cruise missiles into Raqqa and B52’s with conventional bombs over Teheran and Riyadh and taking out Saudi’s water desalination plants.To start with. 
Evolved:
Carryfast:
it’s only a matter of time until Putin and Assad order what is an obvious different NATO agenda out of Syrian airspace or face being shot down by Russian SAM’s.US air force are scared of the S-400. be interesting to see if and when it shoots down a coalition plane…
don’t go here…
dieseldog999:
but hopefully before they can breed another generation of the same.you can’t kill an idea mate.
Why would America be worried about Russian SAM’s if the plan is just to sort out IS supposedly in ‘co operation’ with Russia.In addition why would we be supporting other Islamic nutters in the region,including Turkey,as so called ‘allies’,when they are all just as bad.On that note why would Turkey/NATO have wanted to shoot down an allied Russian aircraft and why do we need fighter aircraft in the area at all ?.
More like the truth is this is all about another stupid US idea of regime change.This time in Syria to be replaced by yet another Saudi backed bunch of nutters. Except now they’ve got Russia standing in their way.As it stands the US is trying to pick a fight with Putin in the wrong places like Ukraine and Syria. Instead of the right one like taking out Iran together with Saudi.
As for ‘can’t kill an idea’ isn’t that exactly what we did in the case of ■■■■ Germany and probably Japan. 
You know that the government is lying when it’s now trying to say that IS is supposedly supplying Assad’s side with oil as opposed to Turkey.Bearing in mind all the supposed reasons for requesting Russian ‘co operation’ in fighting IS.IE a supposed common enemy.
According to open sources, the S-400 is capable of shooting down any existing aircraft, helicopter or missile traveling at speeds of up to 4.8 kilometer per second (over 17,000 km/h) The only target the system would have problems with is a nuclear warhead of intercontinental ballistic missile, which flies at speeds of up to 6-7 kilometer per second.
The S-400 engages targets at distances as far as 400 kilometers and heights of up to 27 kilometers (or higher with newer missiles). This is enough to cover at least 75 percent of Syrian territory, along with the airspaces of Lebanon, Cyprus, half of Israel and a vast part of Turkey.
the old Russians have a very advanced piece of kit in Syria right now. If any NATO aircraft goes near a Russian one, or acts in a way Russia deems aggressive… they’ll ‘defend’ … what if its an RAF plane. they run out of Akrotiri…
Carryfast:
and probably Japan.
gotta be a few old guys who hate whoever the Japanese hated at the time. The Chinese i think?