its ADR i work for but my loyalties are to the client, not the agency. they do pay reasonably well but they will treat you like a robot. 5 or 6 days a week you wont spend much time at home but the money does help to make that a little easier. i got a top end of £780 today and my nett was £636 but that doesnt include national insurance which is less over 6 months than most people here pay over 6 days
scanny77:
i got a top end of £780 today and my nett was £636 but that doesnt include national insurance which is less over 6 months than most people here pay over 6 days
…until HMRC go on a witch hunt which they seem to be showing signs of doing. At which point you’ll get a whacking tax bill for 20% of everything you’ve claimed as expenses and 10% for what you’ve been paid as dividends.
It happened in the IT sector with IT consultants who worked for one company and billed as self employed through umbrella companies. All the same “they’ll never do it, it’ll never happen” guff as drivers are saying now was spouted and posted on the various forums. And then the tax demands from HMRC started landing on door mats.
Basically Legislation introduced in April 2000, IR35, affects anyone who is working via an intermediary, such as a company or partnership. IR35 will only apply if the individual is working for a client under circumstances that if it were not for the imposition of the Limited company or Partnership (known as the “intermediary”) would be one of employment.
Guess how that works out for pretty much every agency driver going through an umbrella company…
contractoruk.com/ir35/how_wi … _ir35.html has more info including the HMRC tests applied. Might frighten you if you answer them honestly.
i work for other companies though, not just ADR. they are my main source of work but i do go elsewhere from time to time to remind them that we (drivers) are not tied to them. a lot of drivers arent happy with them and we all go elsewhere for a change. its the contract we like, not the agency
Conor:
Henrys cat:
As for ADR, the last time I questioned them, they said I could be PAYE, but after 13 weeks would have to go umbrella/ltd as that was the new rules under the AWR.They were lying.
Never 
I just hung up after she said that, knew I would be wasting my time with them. TBH I keep trying them every now and then, as they are main suppliers for a company I like to work for. I do work there through another agency who get their work off ADR, but we get cancelled alot, so trying to cut that out.
Conor:
cheekymonkey:
Of course £1 an hour covers holiday pay.If you’re a blithering idiot who can’t do maths.
If you only did 40hrs a week thats £40. Say, 40 weeks a year is £1600. 50 wks is £2000! How much holiday pay do you want?
N.I. is £12.50 per month.
The umbrella charges 4% of gross pay for invoicing and transferring money to you. Not £20 a week. Although they charge more if you require them to do all your tax and other paperwork.NOVA have a flat weekly charge so you’d pay say £20 if you worked one hour or 80.
As for holiday pay, one employer I worked at in 2003, Geopost, would have paid me £3,360. At the last agency I drove for, my holiday pay would have been £2,240.
How much holiday pay do I want? The amount I would be legally entitled to as an employee. But if you’re happy being screwed over and getting less because you think you’re getting paid more then that is up to you.
£1/hr is not enough to cover your admin/umbrella fees and the holiday pay you do not get. It isn’t enough to cover the SSP you won’t get. It isn’t enough to cover the cost of the PPE you have to buy which the agency is legally required to provide if you’re on PAYE.
Where to start?? The guy asked about ADR not Nova.
My figures for 40hrs a week were £2000 not far off your £2240. 40hrs is well below the average.
Why are you saying you cant get SSP? I`ve just had two months off with a broken wrist and got sick pay, although I cant remember what they call it these days.
Enough. Suffice to say that it suits some more than others. To illustrate this, it clearly would not suit Connor, who has a background of being paid £3360 per annum holiday pay. Would that be 6 weeks holiday at £560 per week? Nice. Mustve been a real good job that eh? Little wonder hes so bitter about the way things are these days. It does however suit a bloke like me who has been self employed most of his working life and has to stand on his own two feet and not expect to be looked after all the time. SSP? I`ve never been on the sick in my life till I came off my motorbike in September, but I got SSP ok, so whats the problem?
You were rude to me Connor for no good reason. Theres nothing wrong with my arithmetic and Im not a blithering idiot and ADR (who the O/P asked about DO supply PPE to all their blokes S/E or not. (I can only speak of my office).
Need I point out Connor that things in 2003 were quite different to the current economic situation.
So there you are folks, Connor has the answer, just get a job where you get 6 weeks holiday at £560 a week and all our problems will be solved, screw the agencies, who needs em? Its so simple I cant think why I never thought of it.
i worked for ADR on Morrisons in Sittingbourne i had a years break then another interview & assessment passed it got my isotrac no etc i was then told that i HAD to be self employed & pay 7 % of my wage up to a max of £28 per week when i told them i was PAYE they said the sittingbourne site was self employed only so i got no work!
Yup, that’s what happened to me in 2011 as well. It’s the lying and evasiveness that will have you wasting the time turning up, filling out forms, etc. that I object to.
They even wanted me to go on a 12 hour contract that no doubt would have had me working 2 x 6 hour shifts tuesdays and wednesdays at the lowest pay rates, rather than the weekends that were being touted at 12-14ph.
£12ph for PAYE is good. £14ph for umbrella/self-employed is crap.
Make no mistake - You’d need 4+ days per week at such rates to make it pay, and alas Saturday/Sunday only takes up two days per week surprise surprise… 
Midweek rates are barely half that of weekends, so at best you’d end up working 4 days for 3 days “decent” pay, and then paying out the umbrella fees out of this meagre paypacket on top. 
Then there’s other firms, who’ll just pay you gross if you object to Umbrella. They’ll deny you your expenses which won’t be a problem if you do your own books as Self-Employed, but it’s not much good to you unless the shifts given are pretty sporradic throughout the year. Regular shifts would have you doing an awful lot of mileage that then cannot be claimed via that particular agency. 
It suits for the occasional bank holiday with a local firm though. 
What do Morrisons actual full-timers get (endangered spiecies?) compared to the self-employed lot anyways? 
If they work for DHL at Bridgewater about £25k.
Ehm. If they are Morrisons, I was expecting them to be Morrisons uniform wearing drivers rather than some subcontractor full of agency bods in it’s own right…
What does a Uniformed Morrisons driver get compared to the agency rates?
They have day cabs, so I’m expecting something close to Waitrose, but since I don’t even know what the Waitrose rates are, that doesn’t help me. 
Winseer:
What does a Uniformed Morrisons driver get compared to the agency rates?
They have day cabs, so I’m expecting something close to Waitrose, but since I don’t even know what the Waitrose rates are, that doesn’t help me.
I didn’t realise you can compare pay rates due to the fact that they both run day cabs 
Learn something new every day 
Moggysons down there struggle to fill the jobs so I’ve been told, also some agency’s paying better than others due to the way they treat you. they will block book an drop off the overspill at very short notice so ur out of pocket with little or no chance of picking up anything else that day
Seany:
Would you rather do a 15 hour overnight supermarket run with Tescos or Waitrose then?
My suggestion is that firms running “day cabs” won’t be having you out overnight, nor 15 hours.
It’ll be late finishes or early starts - NOT overnight as such. Why shouldn’t this be connected with the lack of somewhere to get your head down for an hour halfway through an overnight shift, rather than be slumped over a steering wheel?
I’m assuming that Sittingbourne is being spoken of here as “hard to fill” - Are we talking individual shifts for agency cover, or actual full time jobs?
When I took VR from RM two years back, some of the other drivers went into FT at Sittingbourne, but I don’t recall any leaving drivers getting FT jobs anywhere else… The implication is therefore that as a net creator or actual full time posts, Morrisons should surely be applauded?
…Or is there a special reason that “jobs are hard to fill”? 
Being mucked about on agency makes perfect sense in the “Muckedabout” stakes, but full time jobs? - I thought they were like gold dust these days?
Grundril:
Cheers folks,May well be telling them to leave me as PAYE tomorrow then !
then be prepared for a drop in your workload
Winseer:
Seany:
Would you rather do a 15 hour overnight supermarket run with Tescos or Waitrose then?My suggestion is that firms running “day cabs” won’t be having you out overnight, nor 15 hours.
It’ll be late finishes or early starts - NOT overnight as such. Why shouldn’t this be connected with the lack of somewhere to get your head down for an hour halfway through an overnight shift, rather than be slumped over a steering wheel?
I’m assuming that Sittingbourne is being spoken of here as “hard to fill” - Are we talking individual shifts for agency cover, or actual full time jobs?
When I took VR from RM two years back, some of the other drivers went into FT at Sittingbourne, but I don’t recall any leaving drivers getting FT jobs anywhere else… The implication is therefore that as a net creator or actual full time posts, Morrisons should surely be applauded?
…Or is there a special reason that “jobs are hard to fill”?
Being mucked about on agency makes perfect sense in the “Muckedabout” stakes, but full time jobs? - I thought they were like gold dust these days?
To be fair I wouldn’t want to work anywhere for a 15 hour shift. I work to a max 11 hour shift or a min 5 hour shift. 43 hours per week. But I drive a day cab for a supermarket so it’s not classed as a proper driving job to some.
is it correct someone that you get £150 for turning up on days like today (new years day )then a hourly rate at £12-16 p/h with adr ■■
I don’t mind 15 hour shifts when it means you only have to commute 3 times a week to get a 45 hour week in, with only 3 hours deducted for breaks to boot.
42 hours for around £500 gross sounds about right too.
No one has given any exact answers yet though. It’s not hard to turn a salary into an hourly rate!
holliefabbabe:
is it correct someone that you get £150 for turning up on days like today (new years day )then a hourly rate at £12-16 p/h with adr ■■
Don’t no bt sittingbourne but ADR in Swindon have been paying bonuses of 150 quid plus hourly rate for shifts in Iceland for the last few months
So what’s happening now is drivers are saying there not available then waiting for the phone call offering the bonus it is a gamble but normaly pays off