If and when anyone “short pays” you by “clipping” - that is, “you start when your card went in, and finished when you popped it” …
You are hanging around the yard, and have an accident. Since you’ve already been “booked off”, that means a ‘trespasser’ has incurred a RIDDOR which will cost the firm in question a LOT more than “one nobody guy’s shift pay”…
I wouldn’t be surprised if Operating Licences have been LOST over accident claims by persons “not staff” on the premises when they are “not insured”…
Look how seriously firms view it when anyone sneaks their kid into the yard hiding behind the curtains on the bunk!
nightline:
Did you get someone to sign it, if not hard luck, next time you will know.
It’s a sad state of affairs though, that any opportunity for a firm’s staff to be totally dishonest - is taken up. Not because the firm orders them to, but because the staff think there are somehow “brownie points” in if for screwing over whoever just walked through the door to do a job for you…
Earth is an outhouse annex for hell - which filled up long ago.
thanks for all your help ive got acas involved and im still yet to receive any payment so ive been forced to claim compensation off them also as have had to dip into my overdraft.
also is there anyone near to lichfield willing to let me print out my tacco for the day as i need to send them proof and for somereason the 1 i have stops at 3pm willing to cover costs
benji1666:
thanks for all your help ive got acas involved and im still yet to receive any payment so ive been forced to claim compensation off them also as have had to dip into my overdraft.
also is there anyone near to lichfield willing to let me print out my tacco for the day as i need to send them proof and for somereason the 1 i have stops at 3pm willing to cover costs
Ben
If you’re on Facebook, bang a request on there…
nightline:
Did you get someone to sign it, if not hard luck, next time you will know.
nightline:
Did you get someone to sign it, if not hard luck, next time you will know.
There have been times where I couldn’t get my time sheet signed off. Not had a problem with the agency as they call to double check or thats what they told me…
nightline:
Did you get someone to sign it, if not hard luck, next time you will know.
Theft of you and yours “because you made a clerical error” is still theft.
If a bank chief cashier leaves a door open one morning, and I walk in and help myself - I can still expect to go down for bank robbery.
No one ever gets let off for “Well, they made a mistake, and let me do it” when it comes to theft.
I blame piecrust clients and lickcock agencies for letting this sort of thing become so wide-spread in a country that’s supposed to treat staff with honesty and integrity. We’re not Mafia or Third World FFS!
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
If you don’t bother with agency time sheets when they’re required the agency will be within their right not to pay you.
Some companies don’t sign agency time sheets but for companies that do it would be unwise not to get them signed when possible, obviously if there’s no-one there to sign them it’s a different story, in those circumstances I used to leave a copy of the time sheet somewhere, often pushed through the letter box, and get the agency to fax the original to the company for a signature.
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
When using a digicard, because of the rolling 28 days of data on it, importance must be attached to “getting under/non payment sorted as quickly as possible”.
‘Don’t let it go to a 4th week’ in other words.
Nowdays, I won’t work for any dishonest firm - no matter how good the “headline” hourly rate happens to be…
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
When using a digicard, because of the rolling 28 days of data on it, importance must be attached to “getting under/non payment sorted as quickly as possible”. ‘Don’t let it go to a 4th week’ in other words.
Nowdays, I won’t work for any dishonest firm - no matter how good the “headline” hourly rate happens to be…
wtf u on about there Winseer??
Tacho’s store a ■■■■■■■■ more than 28 days I can guarantee you that.
However, if it went more than 2 weeks, I’d be ■■■■■■ because of the personal financial reasons…
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
When using a digicard, because of the rolling 28 days of data on it, importance must be attached to “getting under/non payment sorted as quickly as possible”.
‘Don’t let it go to a 4th week’ in other words.
Nonsense. Digicards retain way, way more than 28 days’ worth of data. They are designed so that, even if you changed mode dozens of times an hour, every hour of every working day, they would still hold at least 28 days’ worth of data. For most drivers, the data will remain readable for several months - in many cases a year or more.
Manual entries. Always do them without fail to start from when you walked into the yard/were supposed to start the shift. That way they can’t screw you over for the time you spend waiting for a motor/keys etc.
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
If you don’t bother with agency time sheets when they’re required the agency will be within their right not to pay you.
Some companies don’t sign agency time sheets but for companies that do it would be unwise not to get them signed when possible, obviously if there’s no-one there to sign them it’s a different story, in those circumstances I used to leave a copy of the time sheet somewhere, often pushed through the letter box, and get the agency to fax the original to the company for a signature.
I’ve got burned before using time sheets because the firm said that the person who signed it was not authorized. They took 16 hours off and it took a month to finally get paid correctly.
Since I stopped using time sheets and emailing my hours instead and providing tacho evidence when requested, I haven’t many issues with pay and the few that i had where paid the following week.
I can see as far back as April (when i got a replacement) on my card and over 12 months on my old one so this 28 days thing is an absolute worst case minimum and tbh you need to go through a hell of a lot of vehicle changes, mode changes and events to get anywhere close to overwriting the data on the card in 28 days.
Conor:
Manual entries. Always do them without fail to start from when you walked into the yard/were supposed to start the shift. That way they can’t screw you over for the time you spend waiting for a motor/keys etc.
Indeed you’re right also make one at the start of your shift to give your actual finishing time on the previous shift unless of course you popped your card out and went straight home.
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
When using a digicard, because of the rolling 28 days of data on it, importance must be attached to “getting under/non payment sorted as quickly as possible”.
‘Don’t let it go to a 4th week’ in other words.
Nonsense. Digicards retain way, way more than 28 days’ worth of data. They are designed so that, even if you changed mode dozens of times an hour, every hour of every working day, they would still hold at least 28 days’ worth of data. For most drivers, the data will remain readable for several months - in many cases a year or more.
This is news to me.
I was pulled by VOSA, who couldn’t work out what truck registrations I was driving 2 months ago, but showed me remenants of data from 2008, 3 years prior to the pull.
Whilst this suggests what I’m now being told is correct, it begs the question “What happened to the in-between data?” and "Why are only “remenants” of data held over?
Is there a tech schematic anywhere of how the data is actually stored as files on the chip?
jobseeker:
Don’t bother with agency time sheets, they are a complete waste of time as the firm can dispute them easily. The agency will always side with their customer at the expense of the driver, however tachograph records and manual entries are hard to dispute so when I was on agency I just forwarded copies of my tacho records and every dispute has ended in my favour.
When using a digicard, because of the rolling 28 days of data on it, importance must be attached to “getting under/non payment sorted as quickly as possible”.
‘Don’t let it go to a 4th week’ in other words.
Nonsense. Digicards retain way, way more than 28 days’ worth of data. They are designed so that, even if you changed mode dozens of times an hour, every hour of every working day, they would still hold at least 28 days’ worth of data. For most drivers, the data will remain readable for several months - in many cases a year or more.
This is news to me.
I was pulled by VOSA, who couldn’t work out what truck registrations I was driving 2 months ago, but showed me remenants of data from 2008, 3 years prior to the pull.
Whilst this suggests what I’m now being told is correct, it begs the question “What happened to the in-between data?” and "Why are only “remenants” of data held over?
Is there a tech schematic anywhere of how the data is actually stored as files on the chip?
All the records remain on the driver card until the card memory chip is full then they get overwritten, the records get overwritten sequentially with the oldest records being overwritten first.
The driver card is designed to hold a minimum of 28 days of data, in reality for most people the card will contain several months of data.
I’ve no idea why the VOSA bod couldn’t read your card properly though, perhaps it was faulty.
They were not worried about the “missing data” since they only had my admission that I’d driven at all between the dates that had no data for them whatsoever on the card.
The “remenants” of data consisted of Royal Mail 17t registrations which I’d obviously not driven since leaving my old full time job prior to 2010 (I hadn’t yet by this point gone back on agency under the 2 year rule) They were “remenants” because apart from the registrations of wagons the card had been in - there was no other data for those days of driving, some time before.
For the weeks immediately prior to the VOSA pull - there was full data for all the Axors I’d driven, but missing entirely for the Volvos I’d driven for F&W. VOSA were not bothered at all by the “totally missing” data however, just the “partially missing” stuff, which still didn’t get taken up on - on account of it being from 2008, and “stale”.
I was advised that “If this card showed remenents from only a couple of weeks back, we might have some re-course with it - because it suggests you’ve either knowingly driven with a corrupted card, or the card was corrupted all along, and you’ve done nothing about it”…
A few months later, that digicard of mine blew up anyway - on the “Digi Great Dying” event - so manybe they were right all along!
