COOKiEEES!!:
Sidevalve:
if you’ve got the right attitude it can be a good life.
oh how I laughed.
Aye the “right attitude”… of being happy to get trampled all over, treated with less respect than [zb], given all the worst jobs that the “regular guy” has refused to do, and paid a wage barely more than what a benefit scrounger sees.
Aye… a “good life” indeed
I rest my case bud. You obviously don’t have it. 
Boss & Driver:
Chas:
After much poking & prodding for info she really wasn’t very good at keeping from me, it turns out that the job on offer is to cover my weeks holiday with my employer for the last 6mthsThe thing is they think they are above you in every step of the way
They think they are more intelignet then you coz they went to uni and they are yupies and they work in an office and you are a dumb lorry driver
They know your a dumb lorry driver before they ever met you or have ever heard of you
To be honest most of them are as thick as… and are educated idiots with the light on but no one at home
its comes with experance spotting there text book lies that you know how early it is to walk away from them and say ■■■ holes
to be a good liar you have to have a good memory
and lets face it most of these recrutment consaltens are as thick as pig [zb]
You just proved their point…
Sidevalve’s remarks make a lot of sense. I can’t say I’ve ever been in the recruitment seat, but I did run my own computer stationary business many moons ago, so I do have some experience of what the “customer” is prepared to pay for - and what they’re not.
The main thing I found in my own experience is removing the HASSLE from the job you’re going, which of course goes right in with what Sidevalve is saying.
Get the wrong driver as FT, and they have to many rights from day one, he could smash up a wagon, pull the derv hose off, and run upstairs to give the TM a bunch of fives - only to be suspended on full pay, and not actually getting the bullet for maybe 13 weeks…
TM’s don’t want that kind of hassle. The removal of it from the recruitment process is worth paying an agency for, thus they provide a service rather than a driver firstmost.
At the other end of the scale, if a firm takes on a new agency who turns out to be top-hole, then how do they go about recruiting them as full time?
The answer seems to be “with great difficulty” because a contract will often have been signed that prevents the driver from accepting such a job offer without the agency’s express permission, and a “finders fee” to be paid!
…Otherwise TM’s would be using agencies as actual recruitment consultants. Take on a bod agency, give them a job if they’re good, turn away all the others. £10phx8 per try!. Get your three balls here…roll up roll up! 
robroy:
Apologies in advance if this is a dumb-■■■ question… but I have always wondered how (and why) a firm can afford to pay an hourly rate to an agency which is enough for said agency to pay a third party, and at the same time cream off their own cut, but same co can only pay a driver who they employ direct, a fraction of the rate. I reckon agencies are one of, if not THE, reasons the job has turned to [zb] for the driver.Why not just kick the agencies to [zb], split the rate difference, and pay the driver a decent rate direct?
Not always the case now,alot of agency drivers are now on less than directly employed staff. I have been at Sainsburys at sherburn for 4 years and there own drivers have had a pay rise every year agency drivers have been on same hourly rate all the time
mac12:
robroy:
Apologies in advance if this is a dumb-■■■ questionNot always the case now,alot of agency drivers are now on less than directly employed staff. I have been at Sainsburys at sherburn for 4 years and there own drivers have had a pay rise every year agency drivers have been on same hourly rate all the time
That can’t be right, I thought that the law changed in October 2011 whereby if you were employed along side other employed staff then after 12 weeks you were entitled to the same pay and conditions.
As an aside I got a text from an agency called H and G who said they’d won the contract for Sainsury at Sherburn and did I want any work. I dug a bit further but got nowhere. I’m guessing you work for Transline then?
mick.mh2racing:
That can’t be right, I thought that the law changed in October 2011 whereby if you were employed along side other employed staff then after 12 weeks you were entitled to the same pay and conditions.
As an aside I got a text from an agency called H and G who said they’d won the contract for Sainsury at Sherburn and did I want any work. I dug a bit further but got nowhere. I’m guessing you work for Transline then?
Doesn’t apply to pay or pensions. Does apply to things such as subsidised canteen, access to gym etc.
Also an agency can be beneficial for full time employed drivers too. It is a buffer for redundancy. When the work slacks, it is the agency driver that will be gone first.
mick.mh2racing:
mac12:
robroy:
Apologies in advance if this is a dumb-■■■ questionNot always the case now,alot of agency drivers are now on less than directly employed staff. I have been at Sainsburys at sherburn for 4 years and there own drivers have had a pay rise every year agency drivers have been on same hourly rate all the time
That can’t be right, I thought that the law changed in October 2011 whereby if you were employed along side other employed staff then after 12 weeks you were entitled to the same pay and conditions.
As an aside I got a text from an agency called H and G who said they’d won the contract for Sainsury at Sherburn and did I want any work. I dug a bit further but got nowhere. I’m guessing you work for Transline then?
I work for 3 agencies Transline at Sherburn being one if them. Every so often they give work to other agencies to cover busy times.They get round the 12 week rule by giving regulation 10 contracts. Did H&G say what they was paying?
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mick.mh2racing:
That can’t be right, I thought that the law changed in October 2011 whereby if you were employed along side other employed staff then after 12 weeks you were entitled to the same pay and conditions.
As an aside I got a text from an agency called H and G who said they’d won the contract for Sainsury at Sherburn and did I want any work. I dug a bit further but got nowhere. I’m guessing you work for Transline then?Doesn’t apply to pay or pensions. Does apply to things such as subsidised canteen, access to gym etc.
Also an agency can be beneficial for full time employed drivers too. It is a buffer for redundancy. When the work slacks, it is the agency driver that will be gone first.
It applies to pay but not sick pay or pensions unless the agency gives you a Regulation 10 contract so you work for them
mac12:
mick.mh2racing:
mac12:
robroy:
Apologies in advance if this is a dumb-■■■ questionNot always the case now,alot of agency drivers are now on less than directly employed staff. I have been at Sainsburys at sherburn for 4 years and there own drivers have had a pay rise every year agency drivers have been on same hourly rate all the time
That can’t be right, I thought that the law changed in October 2011 whereby if you were employed along side other employed staff then after 12 weeks you were entitled to the same pay and conditions.
As an aside I got a text from an agency called H and G who said they’d won the contract for Sainsury at Sherburn and did I want any work. I dug a bit further but got nowhere. I’m guessing you work for Transline then?I work for 3 agencies Transline at Sherburn being one if them. Every so often they give work to other agencies to cover busy times.They get round the 12 week rule by giving regulation 10 contracts. Did H&G say what they was paying?
No they didn’t. It was a text out of the blue asking if I was available for their new contract at Sherburn. I text them back asking how they’d got my number and yes I’d be interested and could they let me know rates etc. Still waiting!
How do you find Transline? I did an induction at Argos at Whitwood for them and I thought they were the biggest shower I’d ever dealt with.
Been with them 4 years,the only problem i have with them is they keep getting new drivers and giving them the work so leaving us old one’s with nothing untill they leave.Thats why i work for 3. It is a job you love or hate you can go in and wait 6 hours for a job then end up working 15 hours because it’s a 24 job shifts can start anytime so if you work days you may start at 4am or 3pm.The job is very easy. Pay is £10.75 per hour 6am to 6pm then £12.25
i am on for 2 agencies round leeds and both are advertising the clients and the jobs that i want to do, but i have had no work now for going on 2 weeks, every time i ring up, its quiet, but yet they still advertising, agencies are a ■■■■■■■ waste of time 
Boss & Driver:
COOKiEEES!!:
Sidevalve:
if you’ve got the right attitude it can be a good life.
oh how I laughed.
Aye the “right attitude”… of being happy to get trampled all over, treated with less respect than [zb], given all the worst jobs that the “regular guy” has refused to do, and paid a wage barely more than what a benefit scrounger sees.
Aye… a “good life” indeed
Accepting nazisum with the right attitude simply coz you have no other choise
Well its easyer to pretend it dontexiste then it dose
so keep your heads up your asses boys and keep sucking those ring ding dings for the big mob coz it dont rely existe
You on Pre-mod yet 
your plodding again
Winseer:
At the other end of the scale, if a firm takes on a new agency who turns out to be top-hole, then how do they go about recruiting them as full time?
Usually by using a bit of common sense. If the driver genuinely wants the job, a compromise is reached by the client hiring him through the agency for X number of weeks, then taking him on; this for obvious reasons is known as temp to perm.
In practice, the “finders fee” is rarely used in the driving and industrial sectors of recruitment; it’s more often found at middle and senior managerial level i.e. headhunting. It does however serve as a useful disincentive for less scrupulous clients to poach agency drivers. Some might think that’s fair play, and no less than the dastardly agency deserves; as in most things though, what goes around comes around and I’ve experienced drivers who’ve taken jobs in this manner coming creeping back into the agency after it all goes ■■■■ up and being somewhat disappointed when they don’t go straight back onto the preferred list for a few weeks.
Thanks for the kind words BTW.
If a driver has settled in after say, 13 weeks - surely they’ll know if they want to do it FT and make the move from agency to employee proper?
When things go “■■■■ up”, it’s often a change at the far top (like change in company policy, you get a pay cut, compulsory shift you don’t want, other downward T&C changes etc.) rather than “not getting on with someone” that you did apparently get on with for the 13 weeks on agency…
With this “rights to full pay & conditions” thing that’ll have agency moving bods onto another client at the week 12 stage, I’m wondering if anyone anywhere actually ever PAYS any finders fees/contract act-outs at all nowdays? 
Work seems to be damned quiet on the Christmas Buildup compared to last year as well… Not been offered any full weeks on the parcel networks as yet! = I’m starting to get worried I’ll spend Christmas wheeling tins of sweets “returns” about! Shops don’t seem to be able to give them away…
I keep hearing tales of RM on agency, but if it’s not manpower paying the meaty rates touted, then who’s paying those £14+ rates? 
I find being able to work the hours I want and have time off when I want to be very beneficial, but if you need to have a steady income then its probably not for you.
Being an Agency worker = Freedom choice on where and when plus variety.
PAYE FULL TIME = Rigid structure but Regular income.
Without Agency’s we wouldn’t have choice.
robroy:
Apologies in advance if this is a dumb-■■■ question
often wondered that myself,i am an agency driver on £9 an hour,so they must be charging the company i am in at least £13.00 an hour,so why can they not pay a driver £10 to £11 pounds an hour full time with their company and leave the agency out, its probably to do with their tax bill at the end of the year which is my guess,the more money they pay out the less tax they pay
My previous full time perm job got tendered out to agency, so they could get rid of the full time perm HR staff, employer N.I contributions and company contributary pension scheme. Now they just sit back and let the agencies slit each others throats to offer the cheapest drivers.
So presumably the Agency fee offsets the potential savings to be made.
Personally on the general agency front I think it is about time jobs centres stopped advertising their none existent positions and opened their own in house agency if there was a days work to be had and you refused then dole is stopped for that day if customer is happy with candidates then they must after a reasonable amount of time recruit
This could benefit all and be almost self funding
Of course I’m referring to all professions
I thought some of the agencies already were in cahoots with the job centres… Y’know - the ones where Hourly rates are dire, kept low by the knowledge that the next poor mug through the door is under a lot of pressure from the job centre to take the job, ‘or else’…
Being found a job you have to pay to go to is very likely worse than being long term unemployed. You’ll never make up the lost benefits with a job that pays £50 per day gross for 9 hours work, costs £10-£20 a day commuting to, £10 for eating, and £15 in tax & insurance once you get past the weekly thresholds. It would be bad enough for a single shift, let alone compounding it with a full week’s worth. 
Sleepwalking into Serfdom… 
You really need to live across the road from the workplace to be able to afford to work for “minimum wages”.
