There’s plenty of agencies where the possession of a HIAB ticket, MOFFAT ticket, or even ADR 4 is welcomed - but what about ADR 6 stuff?
There’s not much point me getting a level 6 ticket if there’s no bloody work beyond supermarkets eh?
With all the talk of full time tanker drivers being laid off, one would think there’s now plenty of openings for agency fuel tanker drivers - because the road use isn’t going down in this recession is it? 
Winseer:
There’s plenty of agencies where the possession of a HIAB ticket, MOFFAT ticket, or even ADR 4 is welcomed - but what about ADR 6 stuff?
There’s not much point me getting a level 6 ticket if there’s no bloody work beyond supermarkets eh?With all the talk of full time tanker drivers being laid off, one would think there’s now plenty of openings for agency fuel tanker drivers - because the road use isn’t going down in this recession is it?
Hi Winseer,
I’d try to give you an answer if I knew what you meant by “ADR 4” and “ADR 6” and a “level 6 ticket” please.
dieseldave:
Winseer:
There’s plenty of agencies where the possession of a HIAB ticket, MOFFAT ticket, or even ADR 4 is welcomed - but what about ADR 6 stuff?
There’s not much point me getting a level 6 ticket if there’s no bloody work beyond supermarkets eh?With all the talk of full time tanker drivers being laid off, one would think there’s now plenty of openings for agency fuel tanker drivers - because the road use isn’t going down in this recession is it?
Hi Winseer,
I’d try to give you an answer if I knew what you meant by “ADR 4” and “ADR 6” and a “level 6 ticket” please.
classes maybe even the it would still be wrong cause of sub categories ■■
JJ192:
… classes maybe even the it would still be wrong cause of sub categories ■■
That’s possible mate, but the ADR qualification isn’t a “level 6 ticket.”
I’m proposing to go into and doing the whole lot as my 35 hours dcpc credit.
If I’ve got the levels wrong, then someone educate me as to what I need for the following (in no particular order)
(1) Corrosives
(2) Explosives
(3) Oxidising agents, poisons, or aerosoles
(4) Fuels
(5) bio hazards (medical waste?)
(6) radioactives
(7) gases
I have see nobbies advertising jobs that require “ADR 4” and I’ve heard of fuel tanker drivers being refered to as “ADR 6” so since this is clearly the wrong end of the stick, someone enlighten me please as to what tickets cover each and every one of the 1-7 categories as I’ve listed them. 
I know one is explosives and seven is radioactive others i cant remember the order of others even tho am a tanker driver lol dieseldave will advise better
Winseer:
I’m proposing to go into and doing the whole lot as my 35 hours dcpc credit.If I’ve got the levels wrong, then someone educate me as to what I need for the following (in no particular order)
(1) Corrosives
(2) Explosives
(3) Oxidising agents, poisons, or aerosoles
(4) Fuels
(5) bio hazards (medical waste?)
(6) radioactives
(7) gasesI have see nobbies advertising jobs that require “ADR 4” and I’ve heard of fuel tanker drivers being refered to as “ADR 6” so since this is clearly the wrong end of the stick, someone enlighten me please as to what tickets cover each and every one of the 1-7 categories as I’ve listed them.
Hi Winseer,
I’ve no idea where you got that list from, but it’s VERY incorrect. 
Here are the names and pictures of labels for the 9 UN Classifications of dangerous goods. (AKA “Classes.”)
The UN Classification system (All 9 Classes.)
Class 1 Explosive substances and articles
Class 2 Gases
2.1 Flammable gases
2.2 Non Flammable, Non-toxic gases
2.3 Toxic gases
Class 3 Flammable liquids
Class 4 Other flammables
Class 4.1 Flammable solids, self-reactive substances and solid desensitized explosives
Class 4.2 Substances liable to spontaneous combustion
Class 4.3 Substances which, in contact with water, emit flammable gases
Class 5 Oxidisers and Organic peroxides
Class 5.1 Oxidizing substances
Class 5.2 Organic peroxides
Class 6 Toxic and Infectious
Class 6.1 Toxic substances
Class 6.2 Infectious substances
Class 7 Radioactive materials
Class 8 Corrosive substances
Class 9 Miscellaneous dangerous substances and articles
Here are the relevant danger warning signs for the 9 classes:
UN Class 1 
UN Class 2 
UN Class 3 
UN Class 4 
UN Class 5 
UN Class 6 
UN Class 7 
UN Class 8 
UN Class 9 
Saying it in a very short way, everybody has to do the general knowledge ADR Core module.
Then you make a choice as to whether you wish do driver the dangerous goods in Packages and/or Tankers.
Then you choose which Class(es) from 1-9 that you wish to be qualified to carry.
A basic ADR course consists of Core, Packages and Classes 2,3,4,5,6,8 &9
The tanker module is an optional extra; and isn’t compulsory, unless you wish to drive tankers.
If you have any more questions, then please just ask. 
Yes, I do wish to cover myself on tankers.
I take it that (1) and (7) are left out because they are considered too dangerous for the general public driver to handle? - ie work given to the miltary/government contracters?
I suppose the majority of agency work is going to be driving fuel tankers to forecourts for supermarkets, so I’d need at least that.
I’m going to have to re-approach my old driving school to find out just exactly what I get for the £800 odd they are quoting me for the full 35 hour credit as well, as it seems it’s not going to be an “all singing, all dancing” course after all. 
Does anyone get to handle the double-trouble stuff like Phenol (corrosive that’ll burn skin AND poison) or dimethyl mercury (one drop on your skin, and you’'ll go mad) type really dangerous stuff that isn’t in (1) and (7) already?
We all know about things like plutonium or nitroglycerine, but the standard lab reagents list has quite a few less-well-known nasty ones on it!
I used to work in a lab as my first job after leaving school, and I’m hoping some of my background there might make the taking of this course a bit easier…
Winseer:
Yes, I do wish to cover myself on tankers.I take it that (1) and (7) are left out because they are considered too dangerous for the general public driver to handle? - ie work given to the miltary/government contracters?
I suppose the majority of agency work is going to be driving fuel tankers to forecourts for supermarkets, so I’d need at least that.
I’m going to have to re-approach my old driving school to find out just exactly what I get for the £800 odd they are quoting me for the full 35 hour credit as well, as it seems it’s not going to be an “all singing, all dancing” course after all.
Does anyone get to handle the double-trouble stuff like Phenol (corrosive that’ll burn skin AND poison) or dimethyl mercury (one drop on your skin, and you’'ll go mad) type really dangerous stuff that isn’t in (1) and (7) already?
We all know about things like plutonium or nitroglycerine, but the standard lab reagents list has quite a few less-well-known nasty ones on it!
I used to work in a lab as my first job after leaving school, and I’m hoping some of my background there might make the taking of this course a bit easier…
my understanding is 1 and 7 are uncommon everyone can do them with adr but they cost more and seperate courses from adr in general thanks for the class and placards dave you da man
Yes, indeed - a nice presentation there… Next, to find someone looking for such qualifications - agency or full time if the money’s right. 
Winseer:
I’m going to have to re-approach my old driving school to find out just exactly what I get for the £800 odd they are quoting me for the full 35 hour credit as well, as it seems it’s not going to be an “all singing, all dancing” course after all.
I started doing my ADR course yesterday, for the whole course, (core, packages, tanks, all 9 classes and 28 hours DCPC) the bill came to £708 inc VAT so your quote might not be too far off.
I’m looking to bung the whole lot in for expenses as well. I’d imagine I’m going to have to pay for it myself, get a receipt, then submit that against a covering paycheque rather than just ask wages if they can do it on the nod…
In any case, I’m kind of glad I don’t have to bother with explosives and radioactives.
I’m keenest to get gases and fuel tankers done, as I imagine that’s where the vacancies and money are.
Winseer:
Yes, indeed - a nice presentation there… Next, to find someone looking for such qualifications - agency or full time if the money’s right.
That’s where you’ll come unstuck = the money WON’T be right! 
JJ192:
I’m going to have to re-approach my old driving school to find out just exactly what I get for the £800 odd they are quoting me for the full 35 hour credit as well, as it seems it’s not going to be an “all singing, all dancing” course after all
I have heard of those 35 hour dcpc courses
They are usually over 5.5 days with many being mon AM to sat lunchtime
3.5 days for the basic ADR = 21 hrs dcpc
1 day for ADR tanks = 7 hrs dcpc
The final day done fri PM and sat AM can be something like tacho regs and first aid or customer service etc = 7 hours
You will struggle to get agency work on ADR tankers with NO experience … the only job I know you might get onto, is the likes of Calor gas doing Class 2 (rigid) multi-drop gas tank deliveries … sometimes referred to as “Mini-bulk” ( NOT cylinders ) . Manpower (agency) often advertise at this time of year to cover the Winter months.
I did my ADR with the same intentions as you a couple of years back. (except government paid for mine)
The jobs are like rocking horse droppings and the agency vacancies as rare as hens teeth.
Calor did have some temporary jobs for winter only but I had a job by then.
I think its even worse now as I believe turners of soham and polandistan are now in this sector in a big way.
Winseer:
Yes, I do wish to cover myself on tankers.
Hi Winseer,
My general advice is that a person taking ADR for the first time can save money by leaving out the tanker module simply because they’re unlikely to get a tanker driving job.
However, if you know that there’s a likelihood that you’ll need it and you’re getting DCPC hours for it, then it makes sense.
Winseer:
I take it that (1) and (7) are left out because they are considered too dangerous for the general public driver to handle? - ie work given to the miltary/government contracters?
No mate, Classes 1 & 7 are considered to be specialisms, so they’re simply not included in the first place.
Statistics backs this up, because there is so little demand for either of them.
However, Classes 1 & 7 are open for anybody to take.
Winseer:
I suppose the majority of agency work is going to be driving fuel tankers to forecourts for supermarkets, so I’d need at least that.
Whilst this is a rare possibility, my honest advice is that Core, Packages and Classes 2,3,4,5,6,8 &9 is the cheapest option with the best chance of a quick payback on your investment.
Winseer:
I’m going to have to re-approach my old driving school to find out just exactly what I get for the £800 odd they are quoting me for the full 35 hour credit as well, as it seems it’s not going to be an “all singing, all dancing” course after all.
Core, Packs, seven UN Classes and Tanks will take 5 days in total if you’re taking 28hrs DCPC.
However, Core, Packs and seven UN Classes takes 3 days to teach (hence the 21hrs DCPC available for it) but half of the fourth day is usually taken up with the necessary exams. There are NO DCPC hours available for taking exams, so that day is ‘lost’ for DCPC purposes.
Winseer:
Does anyone get to handle the double-trouble stuff like Phenol (corrosive that’ll burn skin AND poison) or dimethyl mercury (one drop on your skin, and you’'ll go mad) type really dangerous stuff that isn’t in (1) and (7) already?
Yes, there are many commonly carried substances that have a secondary danger.
Some substances even have a third (tertiary) danger.
Some substances have more than three dangers, but these are included in UN Class 9 for that reason.
Winseer:
We all know about things like plutonium or nitroglycerine, but the standard lab reagents list has quite a few less-well-known nasty ones on it!
I used to work in a lab as my first job after leaving school, and I’m hoping some of my background there might make the taking of this course a bit easier…
I’m glad that you’ve mentioned that, cos it gives me an early chance to warn you not to look too deeply at what your instructor will tell you.
A driver is NOT reponsible for classifying dangerous goods, so I’m afraid that your knowledge of lab work won’t be of much help on a driver’s ADR course.
Looking too deeply at what you’re told is a common reason for failing ADR exams, cos folk who do that won’t find the answer they’re looking for as one of the multi-choice options. 
Please remember that an ADR course is primarily aimed at teaching drivers their responsibilities when carrying dangerous goods. Please don’t confuse that job or the responsibilities that go with it with those of the Consignor or Carrier and you’ll not go far wrong.
I did my full adr minus 1 and 7 £500 and got dcpc hours
Sure, one can argue that “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. I have not handled bulk dangerous chemicals since 1983, and I was thinking more in terms of anything within the modules such as “first aid for injuries caused by your load items” than anything else. Knowing the properties of one “poison” over another for example, might make the difference in how you behave should you notice a strange smell, or something of “borderline” concern otherwise.
I can’t believe for example that one can be fully qualified to carry a dangerous substance if you’re not also taught how to treat injuries FROM that dangerous substance, or at very least how to identify on a mixed load which of many substances has caused an injury, so you can advise the medical authorities when appropriate. I would think that allowing Oleum for example to drip, clag around pipes, or even slosh around more than you’d let any other liquid slosh about is going to cause a lot of danger, or Ammonium nitrate being more dangerous than sodium nitrate, despite being in the same class (oxidising agent fertilizers)
I mean, what IS it you’re supposed to learn on this course if I’m way off base here? - Surely not merely about ‘filling in the paperwork correctly’?
So, full time and even agency vacancies in this line of work are also rare? - Someone is carting it all about, so I hope it’s not foreigners with their all-singing licences getting £200pw for it…
There is an element of safety procedurs and first aid but its basics on how to deal with emergencies if they arise again dieseldave can elaborate more on
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