I’ve seen quite a few adverts from these scum suckers saying you can claim mileage to and from work, but I thought that got knocked on the head last year. So what’s the score there? Is it a case of them leading you into a dodgy setup where the taxman comes knocking later…
They’d have you claim for taking ya kids school in the car if they could.
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Evil8Beezle:
I’ve seen quite a few adverts from these scum suckers saying you can claim mileage to and from work, but I thought that got knocked on the head last year. So what’s the score there? Is it a case of them leading you into a dodgy setup where the taxman comes knocking later…
I work in I.T. but I believe the rules are the same.
I have to declare that I am not under SDC, Strategic, Direction, Control. Basically, I’m told to do something but NOT the way to do it. If I can answer yes to that then I can claim mileage, if I’m told I have to collect certain data and to record it on a spreadsheet rather than a database then I wouldn’t be able to answer yes.
From a drivers point of view - You’re told to do something, take that load from A to B. You aren’t told which route to take so you’re not under SDC, if they told you which route to take, then you’d be under SDC.
That’s my take on it and I know which boxes to tick. 
Supervision, direction or control. And the route you take is immaterial.
You are given a load to deliver using someone else’s truck, you are controlled and directed.
And you are playing taxman bingo. (Only in this game, you won’t get a bottle of wine for four corners).
DadsRetired:
Evil8Beezle:
I’ve seen quite a few adverts from these scum suckers saying you can claim mileage to and from work, but I thought that got knocked on the head last year. So what’s the score there? Is it a case of them leading you into a dodgy setup where the taxman comes knocking later…I work in I.T. but I believe the rules are the same.
I have to declare that I am not under SDC, Strategic, Direction, Control. Basically, I’m told to do something but NOT the way to do it. If I can answer yes to that then I can claim mileage, if I’m told I have to collect certain data and to record it on a spreadsheet rather than a database then I wouldn’t be able to answer yes.
From a drivers point of view - You’re told to do something, take that load from A to B. You aren’t told which route to take so you’re not under SDC, if they told you which route to take, then you’d be under SDC.
That’s my take on it and I know which boxes to tick.
You work in I.T.? No wonder there’s so many ■■■■ ups in payroll. . Read the o.p. again, and tell me where your response see is irrelevant to the discussion.
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??
Apart from better hourly rates and the option of working when you want and probably better working conditions than the full time drivers have, I don’t know.
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??
I think the real question there is why are the government happy to set a system where firms find it economical to outsource huge portions of their regular workforce! 
Evil8Beezle:
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??I think the real question there is why are the government happy to set a system where firms find it economical to outsource huge portions of their regular workforce!
they are happy because it suppresses wages and keeps their fat cat backers in big profits including the agency owners win win all around yet to see a boss driving a battered second hand car or working between 6pmfri & 8am monday because they are living it up on our hard graft
weeto:
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??Apart from better hourly rates and the option of working when you want and probably better working conditions than the full time drivers have, I don’t know.
Absolutely! I’m on 25p ph more than their blokes. In January,February,March,April and May I can work as little as 1 or 2 days a week! You’ll have to explain the better conditions bit, I’m mystified by that.
You can claim back mileage if you’re PAYE and travel to work at more than 1 site (which is almost every agency driver).
Ares:
You can claim back mileage if you’re PAYE and travel to work at more than 1 site (which is almost every agency driver).
From the above link.
“Ways of side-stepping these rules have been developed over time. However HMRC do not like the type of arrangements that have been developed as they mean that they are not always getting the tax and NIC that they could do. It is important to be aware of them, because it may be the case that HMRC will come after you for any unpaid amounts if you are using an arrangement that they do not like.”
“The rules say that relief for home to work travel and subsistence expenses is restricted where a worker: is employed through an employment intermediary (such as an agency or umbrella company)”
“You should be extremely wary of businesses that try and get around the new rules on travel and subsistence. You may even decide to report them to HMRC so that their practices can be investigated.”
All the above quotes are, of course, taken out of context.
From a link in the above link,
litrg.org.uk/sites/default/f … 0FINAL.pdf
“I incur a lot of travel expenses as an agency worker – am I entitled to any tax relief?
You may work on lots of different engagements and may incur substantial travel costs in getting to your
various work locations. Unfortunately, agency workers are not normally entitled to tax relief on the home
to work travel and subsistence expenses they incur (although your workplace may be ‘temporary’ in the
ordinary, natural meaning of the word, they are not ‘temporary’ for the purposes of meeting the tax law
question!) Many people think this is unfair and this is one of the reasons for the rise of umbrella
companies – see later.”
Travel expenses are usually tax deductible if they are incurred while working (as opposed to getting to
work). For more information on when agency worker travel expenses may be allowable, see our news
piece: www.litrg.org.uk/latest-news/news/16071 … %93-should
-you-be-using-one#home-to-work
Seems to me you can claim for travel between different sites whilst at work, but not between work site and home.
So nothing has changed since last year.
It’s just umbrella companies and agencies trying to peddle mugs a load of bollox that will probably drop them in strife later.
What a surprise! 
Cheers people.
weeto:
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??Apart from better hourly rates and the option of working when you want and probably better working conditions than the full time drivers have, I don’t know.
Better working conditions when youre at the same place employed drivers are doing the same job??
Evil8Beezle:
So nothing has changed since last year.
It’s just umbrella companies and agencies trying to peddle mugs a load of bollox that will probably drop them in strife later.What a surprise!
Cheers people.
Sorry, mate.
I can tell youre really upset at the news. You are dying to get back together with them arent you? Your love affair with the agencies has left you bruised and broken-hearted hasnt it? They promise you the earth, but deep down you know theyre just stringing you along. Of course you want to believe them, be told youre the special one, be told there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? But you know the rainbow is only there because its hissing down with rain, don`t you?
AndrewG:
weeto:
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??Apart from better hourly rates and the option of working when you want and probably better working conditions than the full time drivers have, I don’t know.
Better working conditions when youre at the same place employed drivers are doing the same job??
No need for agency drivers to keep account of their holiday entitlement, so thats a saving on admin. No need to chase the company for sick pay if theyre off. No company pension scheme to pay into. And agency drivers always get the best and newest trucks, with the easiest runs, because the companies would rather upset a regular driver, than an agency driver who is irreplaceable.
Franglais:
Evil8Beezle:
So nothing has changed since last year.
It’s just umbrella companies and agencies trying to peddle mugs a load of bollox that will probably drop them in strife later.What a surprise!
Cheers people.
Sorry, mate.
I can tell youre really upset at the news. You are dying to get back together with them arent you? Your love affair with the agencies has left you bruised and broken-hearted hasnt it? They promise you the earth, but deep down you know theyre just stringing you along. Of course you want to believe them, be told youre the special one, be told there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? But you know the rainbow is only there because its hissing down with rain, don`t you?
To be fair I’m surprised a lot of this umbrella bollox is still going on, as there really isn’t much left in the way of benefits to offset their costs when you take the travel allowance away. Hence the reason for the post, as I wasn’t aware anything had changed since last April, and couldn’t understand why I’d seen a lot of this rubbish recently. It’s the agencies that are stating this bollox in the adverts, so you have to figure that they are also ■■■■■■■ with the umbrella schemes, along with not having to deal with your admin directly. Plus they can then advertise what initially seem good rates, and tell you later it’s some umbrella bollox and not PAYE.
I’m still getting emails from one I did some work for ages ago, when it all changed. And I was surprised when I got an email some months after the change, saying the rates were going up? 
Then I had one form them last week saying as I hadn’t worked for them for ages, they were terminating our arrangement and sent me a P45. I’m truly gutted I am! 
I did some agency work when I returned to live in the UK for reasons given by several above such as better hourly rate and the ability to choose where when and if I chose to work.Another reason is that I wouldn’t want to work for a lot of the crap companies out there even as an agency driver.As it happens I had a really good job for a good company as an agency driver working alongside their own drivers but being paid more and being more independant.This came about because I didn’t mess about or cause damage,I assume.
Regarding expenses,I wouldn’t mind claiming expenses on the same basis as our Members of Parliament.
AndrewG:
Why does anyone bother to work for scumbag agencies??
For me, because all I want is a few months work until I’ve saved up some money, then I go off travelling until the money runs out so agency work suits me fine and saves me wasting the time of someone who is looking for a permanent driver.
Franglais:
Seems to me you can claim for travel between different sites whilst at work, but not between work site and home.
Uh oh I think you’re right. Better not tell HMRC.