whisperingsmith:
A taster from Aljazeera:
The Journey from Agadir to Dakar | Poverty and Development | Al Jazeera
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to be honest,then to me it looks like a piece of absolute ■■■■ and a doddle though i wouldnt want to be changing tyres.
theyre running for a 2 bit co with no money hence the border delay whereas others would have enough for a bung and sail through.
its their own fault for not having water or basic grub and although its a really interesting video clip,then its a tad overly dramatised to make it more of a drama for the cameras.
same for ice road fannys.if lisa the trucker can do it without breaking a nail,then how hard can it be in reality.?
dieseldog999:
whisperingsmith:
A taster from Aljazeera:
The Journey from Agadir to Dakar | Poverty and Development | Al Jazeera
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to be honest,then to me it looks like a piece of absolute ■■■■ and a doddle though i wouldnt want to be changing tyres.
theyre running for a 2 bit co with no money hence the border delay whereas others would have enough for a bung and sail through.
its their own fault for not having water or basic grub and although its a really interesting video clip,then its a tad overly dramatised to make it more of a drama for the cameras.
same for ice road fannys.if lisa the trucker can do it without breaking a nail,then how hard can it be in reality.?
She must be absolute nails to be poncing around in a hoodie at -40C… That show was enjoyable enough when it was first on. They should have left it at that.
Drempels:
dieseldog999:
whisperingsmith:
A taster from Aljazeera:
The Journey from Agadir to Dakar | Poverty and Development | Al Jazeera
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to be honest,then to me it looks like a piece of absolute ■■■■ and a doddle though i wouldnt want to be changing tyres.
theyre running for a 2 bit co with no money hence the border delay whereas others would have enough for a bung and sail through.
its their own fault for not having water or basic grub and although its a really interesting video clip,then its a tad overly dramatised to make it more of a drama for the cameras.
same for ice road fannys.if lisa the trucker can do it without breaking a nail,then how hard can it be in reality.?
She must be absolute nails to be poncing around in a hoodie at -40C… That show was enjoyable enough when it was first on. They should have left it at that.
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thats about it.after the 1st one the pc reality mob had to go and pish it up goodtime.
its the same for any film thats remade.it always has to change so theres a token non pink,a crip in a wheelchair,and the strong female lead whos one of the boys but really has a hidden feminine side in there as well…ruins every good film made nowadays.
dieseldog999:
Drempels:
dieseldog999:
whisperingsmith:
A taster from Aljazeera:
The Journey from Agadir to Dakar | Poverty and Development | Al Jazeera
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to be honest,then to me it looks like a piece of absolute ■■■■ and a doddle though i wouldnt want to be changing tyres.
theyre running for a 2 bit co with no money hence the border delay whereas others would have enough for a bung and sail through.
its their own fault for not having water or basic grub and although its a really interesting video clip,then its a tad overly dramatised to make it more of a drama for the cameras.
same for ice road fannys.if lisa the trucker can do it without breaking a nail,then how hard can it be in reality.?
She must be absolute nails to be poncing around in a hoodie at -40C… That show was enjoyable enough when it was first on. They should have left it at that.
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+1
thats about it.after the 1st one the pc reality mob had to go and pish it up goodtime.
its the same for any film thats remade.it always has to change so theres a token non pink,a crip in a wheelchair,and the strong female lead whos one of the boys but really has a hidden feminine side in there as well…ruins every good film made nowadays.
My mate made me sit through a new version of The Sweeney on a transatlantic flight, 5 minutes in I was seriously pondering using the emergency exit 
The Mrs likes to watch a crime drama now and then, she got the entire series of a thing called Vera. After half an episode, she had to turn it off because I kept pointing out the historical inaccuracies, virtue-signalling and completely un-believable casting. It was dire.
Carryfast:
Norfolkinclue1:
When I ran my own little company many years ago I did a roaring trade running down to Morocco and back.
Difference was though it was using vans due to time and costs.
I used the many expat forums to gather up some personal belongings to take down to the newly expanding holiday home areas around Asilah and some to Casablanca then onto Marrakesh to collect high value handmade furniture to deliver back through Spain and the UK, although mostly to London and Edinburgh.
I’m not one to bother about the politics to be fair, I’ll leave that to the usual experts on here to bang on about trade etc and speculate on a basis of no actual experience,I can only go on what I experienced and that was of a country very keen to become a gateway to Europe and this was over a decade ago.
Yes there was a level of corruption but it was one of the best countries I’ve ever visited or worked in as far as the people and culture went, miss it lots.
So remind us what happened to the Paris Dakar rally and why.Here’s a clue it had nothing to do with the possibility of crashing or getting lost. 
As for ‘Africa’ it’s bit bigger than just Morocco while Morocco ain’t exactly the be all and end all of our trading regime and it’s obvious that only the Southern end of Africa is even remotely viable which of course both us and the Dutch knew more than a century ago.That all ended well.Unsurprisingly when they were shipping out food and natural resources while Africans starved.But of course remainer May already knew/knows all that.
So just to clarify, the OP specifically and clearly posed a question about road transport from Africa, citing Gibraltar ( I used to stay there before catching the ferry from Algeciras to Tangier ) in his post, I respond with my experiences of road transport to and from the UK and Africa many years ago and what I thought having actually done it and not just googled it.
The last time was in fact in 2006, 2 years before the rally left Africa, left due to security concerns in Mauritania, that’s not the country I was in or talking about, it’s leaving has no relevance to my time there and if you bothered to read my post I did say “over a decade ago” so simple maths would have been your friend
Your response is to attempt to ridicule me about how big Africa is and then bang on about Southern Africa and the Dutch over a century ago and how that went, nothing to do with my post, my point or the OP??
I get you have yet another agenda and wish to preach it but do try to read what others post before posting yourself, also helps if you show a little respect to people’s points of view when they are born from life experience rather than a search engine…
Franglais:
Wheel Nut:
As most of the CAR have little or no electric and therefore no TV they don’t know who Theresa May is and those that do have TV think she is Brian Mays wife and James Mays mum.
TV ? You is soooo old!
Nigeria has 18.5% and South Africa 44% of their population with SmartPhones. No need for TV to get the news! They are leapfrogging copper wire and mains electricity use. Mobile internet and solar power straight off the starting blocks.
Didn’t stop them nicking my generators and Jeep when I lived there. They were happy enough with hand me down payg phones and a second hand Rastafarian bobble hat
Me & the Mrs travelled overland in 2011 from London to South Africa down the east coast & across to Namibia on the west coast before arriving in South Africa, The only country which was a ■■■■■■■ to transit was Egypt every ■■■■■■ there was out to get us.
Norfolkinclue1:
So just to clarify, the OP specifically and clearly posed a question about road transport from Africa, citing Gibraltar ( I used to stay there before catching the ferry from Algeciras to Tangier ) in his post, I respond with my experiences of road transport to and from the UK and Africa many years ago and what I thought having actually done it and not just googled it.
The last time was in fact in 2006, 2 years before the rally left Africa, left due to security concerns in Mauritania, that’s not the country I was in or talking about, it’s leaving has no relevance to my time there and if you bothered to read my post I did say “over a decade ago” so simple maths would have been your friend
Your response is to attempt to ridicule me about how big Africa is and then bang on about Southern Africa and the Dutch over a century ago and how that went, nothing to do with my post, my point or the OP??
I get you have yet another agenda and wish to preach it but do try to read what others post before posting yourself, also helps if you show a little respect to people’s points of view when they are born from life experience rather than a search engine…
My point was that Morocco isn’t exactly going to provide us with a major export market nor does it have much to offer us in return.While I don’t need a search engine nor experience to know that that Africa can’t be viably navigated from its Northern ports to its Southern end ( where the viable trade happens to be ) by heavy commercial vehicles.At least unless you’ve got your own private army as an ■■■■■■,fuel supplies arranged and you intend to use a fleet of 6x6 rigids.
Who the hell in their mind would want to go to Africa anyway ■■ anywhere apart from Morocco is a cess pit !! Have been to a few places there (in real life and not via Google) and glad I will never have to go back there !!..
raymundo:
Who the hell in their mind would want to go to Africa anyway ■■ anywhere apart from Morocco is a cess pit !! Have been to a few places there (in real life and not via Google) and glad I will never have to go back there !!..
Jump on Youtube and paste in “al jazeera agadir to dakar”
Pretty good indie film about driving west africa and living proof of why Europeans dont drive in Africa.
Franglais:
Trade? Needs a longer answer but first question is why is Mrs May there? To make a deal for post Brexit Britain. Good. To replace the current EU deal we have. She announced an extra £4 billion of UK investment in Africa. That s not overnight and isnt a gift, but it is a lot of money.
Christ, so she’s going to ■■■■ another £4billion of taxpayers money up the wall into a country trying its best to steal land off white farmers without compensation, that’s if a bunch of savages seemingly with the luxury of immunity haven’t already murdered them in the most foul ways imaginable.
Legalised theft of property, if that isn’t a bloody big flashing sign not to deal with someone i don’t know what is, though it appears chairman May backs the current regime regarding land/wealth redistribution, would make a real socialist go all gooey eyed
If they carry on with this theft (for that’s what it is), the country will be another Zimbabwe basket case of starvation and desperation only on a far worse scale.
Hopefully more enlightened countries will offer those farmers a safe haven if ethnic cleansing proves to be the case, given they have experience of making fertile growing land where it would appear impossible, sounds a good move for everyone.
Is May THE most embarrassing PM this country has ever known, she’s up against some stiff competition but is ahead by several lengths
Juddian:
Franglais:
Trade? Needs a longer answer but first question is why is Mrs May there? To make a deal for post Brexit Britain. Good. To replace the current EU deal we have. She announced an extra £4 billion of UK investment in Africa. That s not overnight and isnt a gift, but it is a lot of money.
Christ, so she’s going to ■■■■ another £4billion of taxpayers money up the wall into a country trying its best to steal land off white farmers without compensation, that’s if a bunch of savages seemingly with the luxury of immunity haven’t already murdered them in the most foul ways imaginable.
Legalised theft of property, if that isn’t a bloody big flashing sign not to deal with someone i don’t know what is, though it appears chairman May backs the current regime regarding land/wealth redistribution, would make a real socialist go all gooey eyed
If they carry on with this theft (for that’s what it is), the country will be another Zimbabwe basket case of starvation and desperation only on a far worse scale.
Hopefully more enlightened countries will offer those farmers a safe haven if ethnic cleansing proves to be the case, given they have experience of making fertile growing land where it would appear impossible, sounds a good move for everyone.
Is May THE most embarrassing PM this country has ever known, she’s up against some stiff competition but is ahead by several lengths
^ This
Or more like she’s doing it all deliberately to make as much of a mess of the process of Brexit and to ■■■■ off as many Leave voters as possible as part of Remain project fear and sabotage. 
On that note wouldn’t we by now have expected her to do something along the lines of all trade tariffs and barriers with the English speaking world in the form of Oz,NZ,Canada and USA being removed.Together with a free movement deal between us all.While also reversing the present situation in the case of the alien and obviously exploitative quasi Soviet state known as the EU.
But no we’re still as tied to the EU and its rule as ever obviously providing a lifeline for her remainer cronies and allies to reverse Brexit.Including now chucking 4 billion quid of our cash at Africa as an obvious example of her saying to the leave vote if we don’t back down and forget Brexit she’ll chuck away lots more of our cash.IE a remain plot to hold the country to ransom until/unless we allow the remainers to overturn Brexit.
Juddian:
Franglais:
Trade? Needs a longer answer but first question is why is Mrs May there? To make a deal for post Brexit Britain. Good. To replace the current EU deal we have. She announced an extra £4 billion of UK investment in Africa. That s not overnight and isnt a gift, but it is a lot of money.
Christ, so she’s going to ■■■■ another £4billion of taxpayers money up the wall into a country trying its best to steal land off white farmers without compensation, that’s if a bunch of savages seemingly with the luxury of immunity haven’t already murdered them in the most foul ways imaginable.
Legalised theft of property, if that isn’t a bloody big flashing sign not to deal with someone i don’t know what is, though it appears chairman May backs the current regime regarding land/wealth redistribution, would make a real socialist go all gooey eyed
If they carry on with this theft (for that’s what it is), the country will be another Zimbabwe basket case of starvation and desperation only on a far worse scale.
Hopefully more enlightened countries will offer those farmers a safe haven if ethnic cleansing proves to be the case, given they have experience of making fertile growing land where it would appear impossible, sounds a good move for everyone.
Is May THE most embarrassing PM this country has ever known, she’s up against some stiff competition but is ahead by several lengths
In fairness to May she has an impossible job. Keeping strong Brexit Tories, soft Brexit and anti-Brexit all In the same tent, let alone get anything meaningful through Parliament is not easy.
My vote for worst P.M. goes to Cameron. He gained power by having the referendum. Not one he believed in, but was forced into by his promises to those Tories who were migrating to UKIP. So he wrongly thought the vote would go his way anyway so failed to plan for an “out” vote. He oversaw and lost a vote he didn’t want,as his price of gaining power. And within weeks of seeing what was happening, he did a runner!
But never mind, David. If Boris gets in as Tory leader, and so become a no-elected P.M. he’ll soon make some progress as worst P.M. Ever!
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In fairness Cameron wasn’t a PM as such, he was more like a rather camp presenter on a cheap reality TV show, just one that happened to be called governing the UK (badly).
I can’t recognise him as previous PM because he just too ludicrous for the job and got it partly because he was a bit prettier and younger looking than his ‘father’ Blair so the ladies were wooed, and we were in the depths of the age of Image at the time, before reality really set in and he appropriately ran away with his weasel tail between his legs.
May isn’t trying to balance anything, she’s a dyed in the wool remainer who keeps kicking the can along the road whilst waving the white flag hoping we’ll get fed up, or operation Fear XXV11 finally does the trick, and we agree to surrender to the EU which after all is Germany by another name.
what would happen if the british goverment told all the ( insert your own description here ) shop owners from pakistan the ultimatum to get out and leave their shops empty so that the white uk population could use them as they see fit,with the proviso that if they didnt get out sharpish,then the army would sling them out pronto.
cries of unfair racisism,riots,bedlam,protests,all sorts of humanitarian pish with other countries putting embargoes on the uk in support for the poor non whites being hard done to.
but its ok for whites to get slung out leaving their homes and businesses to be utilized and subsequently destroyed by primative illiterates and give them all sorts of uk money to help them in the process?
Wouldn’t happen DD, because the genuine British people, the real ‘working not shirking’ working class i’m talking about (not the elite or establishment nor their media lackeys), have an inbuilt sense of fair play and they would not stand for it, and that’s what has made Britain unique for centuries, that sense of fair play that all decent people here have.
See, we like people who work hard for a living to do well, i like the Mr Patels who have opened their shops all hours God sends and made themselves a business and part of our communities, and that’s part of the reason i will never darken Toscos door because they can’t abide some bugger else making a living like those Patel and Singh families have done for decades so want to put Express stores nearby to take their livelihoods away.
The govt who did that would never be elected again as long as the youngest real Brit to see it happen was still alive.
However watch this space as you age, if your house is deemed too big for you they’ll find a way to get you out, they tried it with the bedroom tax and that bloody May tried it at her last GE with the take every penny the oldies have suggestion (and had to do a swift U turn).
im aware itl never happen if not for any other reason that the indigenous uk whites are basically becoming the ethnic minority in the uk nowadays and it wont be long before theres a muslim prime minister.
you can bet the london pm got voted in by every non pink who could vote and not because of his political stance.
the thing is that its total in your face racism white genocide in africa and this clown of a pm is happy to give them oodles of uk funding whilst ■■■■■■ the indigenous population here to subsidise it.
Franglais:
In fairness to May she has an impossible job. Keeping strong Brexit Tories, soft Brexit and anti-Brexit all In the same tent, let alone get anything meaningful through Parliament is not easy.
My vote for worst P.M. goes to Cameron. He gained power by having the referendum. Not one he believed in, but was forced into by his promises to those Tories who were migrating to UKIP. So he wrongly thought the vote would go his way anyway so failed to plan for an “out” vote. He oversaw and lost a vote he didn’t want,as his price of gaining power. And within weeks of seeing what was happening, he did a runner!
But never mind, David. If Boris gets in as Tory leader, and so become a no-elected P.M. he’ll soon make some progress as worst P.M. Ever!
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All of which ‘might’ have made some sense ‘if’ it wasn’t for the fact that Cameron,May and Hammond among numerous others were/are all totally on message committed EU supporters of the EU project.While remind us which side they all supported during the sham referendum to the point of ‘HM Government’ using tax payers’ cash to recommend voting remain just like in '75.All under the leadership of remainer Cameron.So let’s get this right he makes a big show of pretending to ‘renegotiate’ the terms of our membership in the knowledge that only a Confederal Europe would get anywhere close to returning the country’s sovereignty and stopping the rip off contributions situation that we wanted and that there is no way that the EU will ever go along that path.As for keeping the so called ‘Eurosceptic’ Cons happy yeah right so that’s why Boris was a remainer at the time and David Davis doesn’t seem to want to stand by what he said at the Grass Roots Out rally.Then last but not least they allowed remainer Hammond to draft the terms of the referendum act and which as a result all too predictably was deliberately worded to be a …non binding document on the government as an obvious insurance policy if by some miracle project remain didn’t work on the electorate.
Which leaves one more possibility to add to that in that the referendum vote itself was actually rigged as usual along the lines of chucked away votes lost in an understated turnout figure.It’s just that the mountain of votes in favour of leave was so great that even the establishment’s best efforts couldn’t hide it or lose it all.So here we are with May having sabotaged and delayed Brexit and remainers using the lifeline that Hammond’s bs referendum terms have given them at every opportunity to over turn the decision to leave.
Juddian:
Wouldn’t happen DD, because the genuine British people, the real ‘working not shirking’ working class i’m talking about (not the elite or establishment nor their media lackeys), have an inbuilt sense of fair play and they would not stand for it, and that’s what has made Britain unique for centuries, that sense of fair play that all decent people here have.
See, we like people who work hard for a living to do well, i like the Mr Patels who have opened their shops all hours God sends and made themselves a business and part of our communities, and that’s part of the reason i will never darken Toscos door because they can’t abide some bugger else making a living like those Patel and Singh families have done for decades so want to put Express stores nearby to take their livelihoods away.
The govt who did that would never be elected again as long as the youngest real Brit to see it happen was still alive.
However watch this space as you age, if your house is deemed too big for you they’ll find a way to get you out, they tried it with the bedroom tax and that bloody May tried it at her last GE with the take every penny the oldies have suggestion (and had to do a swift U turn).
It’s ironic that as UKIP supporter I’m closer to dd on all that than you being a so called For Britain supporter. 
So what’s wrong with the indigenous owned corner shops that I knew as a child in the still very much Surrey not London towns like Kingston who worked civilised hours and who rightly wanted to go home at the end of a working day and have Sunday at home just like my part time shop worker mum and manufacturing worker 40 hours per week manufacturing worker father did.Bearing in mind that the shops I’m talking about were still often being run at that time by the same ownership that my mum had grown up with and where her mum did her shopping and which had happily stayed open through all the bombing raids and V1 and V2 attacks that Hitler could chuck at them. 
To get this thread back on track, I seem to recall the much missed Saviem telling us of Transports Chapuis from Lyon regularly running to Lagos Nigeria in the mid 70’s using 6x4 Saviem units and tilts without any problems other than planning. I think things would be different today, the roads are much better the Trans Sahara Highway has transformed long distance travel across Africa however you would need a small private army to get a western registered truck with a high value load there safely. Anyway can you imagine the cost and how many snowflakes would give it a go even once, never mind turn around and go straight back, it will not be happening ships snd planes will take care of anything that’s required in my view.
Out of interest Google maps gives Birmingham to Johannesburg at 8393 miles one way.