Saw this on a tanker last week (Carntyne tanker on the A77 going north from Girvan). I assume its whiskey or spirit alcohol from a distillery .
Question is - "Do you need a full ADR for this or will the ADR awareness course cover you ?
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That’s a tanker so therefore a full course required, in certainly isn’t packages.
If you have to use ADR plates to carry it, then you need to be ADR qualified, it’s that simple
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beefy4605:
Saw this on a tanker last week (Carntyne tanker on the A77 going north from Girvan). I assume its whiskey or spirit alcohol from a distillery .
Question is - "Do you need a full ADR for this or will the ADR awareness course cover you ?
Hi beefy4065,
I’m afraid that an ADR ‘awareness’ course WON’T cover you for this.
The substance in question is:
UN 3065 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, 3, PGII
(>70% alcohol by volume)
Since it’s in PGII of Class 3, it means that it’s in the same ADR flammability bracket as Petrol. 
The minimum ADR course to drive the tanker you saw is Core + Tanks + UN Class 3.
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CookieMonster:
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Most retail bottles are 40 or maybe 45%?
The product in tanks is often over 95%. No need to warm it up to ignite it.
Undrinkable.
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dieseldave:
beefy4605:
Saw this on a tanker last week (Carntyne tanker on the A77 going north from Girvan). I assume its whiskey or spirit alcohol from a distillery .
Question is - "Do you need a full ADR for this or will the ADR awareness course cover you ?Hi beefy4065,
I’m afraid that an ADR ‘awareness’ course WON’T cover you for this.
The substance in question is:
UN 3065 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, 3, PGII
(>70% alcohol by volume)
The minimum ADR course to drive the tanker you saw is Core + Tanks + UN Class 3.
Thanks DDave - may look into ADR as I really don’t fancy sitting through another 5 days of pointless CDPC courses . Will look for an ADR that counts towards DCPC as well .
Franglais:
CookieMonster:
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Most retail bottles are 40 or maybe 45%?
The product in tanks is often over 95%. No need to warm it up to ignite it.
Undrinkable.(almost)[emoji5]
3065 is less than 70% proof as designated by <
This is blended super shiny finished whisky ready for bottling.
The stuff over 95% is generally known as Ethanol
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Wheel Nut:
Franglais:
CookieMonster:
Wheel Nut:
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Guess someone’s never had a flaming sambucca?
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Most retail bottles are 40 or maybe 45%?
The product in tanks is often over 95%. No need to warm it up to ignite it.
Undrinkable.(almost)[emoji5]
3065 is less than 70% proof as designated by <
This is blended super shiny finished whisky ready for bottling.
The stuff over 95% is generally known as Ethanol
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Ethanol is the “correct” name for the alcohol we drink.
It’s content in the finished product measured as a percentage by volume.
The degree of alcohol is measured by a very different method, involving gunpowder!
I was involved on food tanks and the whisky and brandy we moved was always up in nineties%.
Dave’s post says that sign shows >70%.
Wheel Nut:
3065 is less than 70% proof as designated by <
Hi Malc,
I wasn’t going to go into this much detail, but seeing as it’s you… 
I got to:
UN 3065 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, 3, PGII
(>70% alcohol by volume)
… by reference to ADR 2019 3.2.1, but there are two entries for UN 3065, one being PGII, the other being PGIII.
My next reference was to the DG EAC List 2019… UN 3065 at PGII has an EAC of 2YE as in the pic posted by beefy, whereas the PGIII version (being less flammable) has an EAC of 2Y and <24% but not more than 70% alcohol by volume.
Assuming that the tanker hazard warning panel has the correct info on it, I’m sticking to my earlier answer of the load in question being the PGII version. (<70% by volume)
It can be quite tricky and very easy to make a simple mistake when there are several versions of ‘stuff’ for the same UN number, so woe betide the ‘googlers’ or anybody not using the current version of any of the manuals 
Franglais:
CookieMonster:
Wheel Nut:
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Most retail bottles are 40 or maybe 45%?
The product in tanks is often over 95%. No need to warm it up to ignite it.
Undrinkable.(almost)[emoji5]
I’m guessing your thoughts were of this thread!!!
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
CookieMonster:
Wheel Nut:
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Guess someone’s never had a flaming sambucca?
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Most retail bottles are 40 or maybe 45%?
The product in tanks is often over 95%. No need to warm it up to ignite it.
Undrinkable.(almost)[emoji5]
I’m guessing your thoughts were of this thread!!!
Alcohol is best left inside stainless steel containers. During work time anyway.
You can download the current ADR volumes here
unece.org/trans/danger/publ … entse.html
Diesel Dave is right
Lonewolf Yorks:
You can download the current ADR volumes hereunece.org/trans/danger/publ … entse.html
Diesel Dave is right
Yes indeed Mr Wolf, the ADR books are downloadable from where you said.
That would answer the OP’s original question, as the ADR books identify UN 3065 as a dangerous substance in UN Class 3.
(But not if the alcohol is <24% by volume, because it wouldn’t then count as a dangerous substance)
Once the % alcohol strength by volume was mentioned (quite correctly) by Malc, the ADR books would instantly be of no help whatsoever because the UN 3065 was being carried on a UK journey by a UK registered vehicle, and therefore subject to different rules especially in regard to UK Hazard Warning Panels.
(The UK marks UK registered tankers quite differently on UK journeys to the way that the other 50 member countries of ADR mark their tankers for both national and international carriage.)
Let’s just say that HM The Queen wants us to do it in that way.
To get to the correct answer having regard to UK law, the following references also would be needed:
CDG 2009 (as amended) Reg.6 and Schedule 1 as well as…
The DG EAC List 2019
That’s how I got to the answer!
Is there not a list of EAC codes in the back of Vol II? I know I’ve seen one somewhere.
Lonewolf Yorks:
Is there not a list of EAC codes in the back of Vol II? I know I’ve seen one somewhere.
Sorry Mr Wolf, EACs are particularly British, so they’ve never been in the ADR books.
The back of ADR Volume II is called Part 9, which deals with vehicle specifications and approvals.
I first qualified as an ADR instructor and DGSA back in 2003, at that time the EACs were listed in The Approved Carriage List known as the ACL, which for many previous editions came from the HSE.
Since then, it became known as the Dangerous Goods Emergency Action Code List and underwent a change of authorship around 2004/5 if my memory serves. (Usually completely re-issued every two years so as to be in line with re-issues of ADR.)
The only authoritative document for EACs is the Dangerous Goods Emergency Action Code List 2019, which supersedes all previous issues.
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IF the same (single) substance were to be carried in a tanker on an international journey under ADR, then the plates (one on the front and one on the rear) would look like this:
The PGIII version would need this instead of the one above:
In either case… plus one of these on each side and the rear:
Quite different to the UK
Thats the one, I knew I’d seen it somewhere.
What about a full load of bottled whiskey, vodka etc?
Still a fair amount of alcohol.
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El Deano:
What about a full load of bottled whiskey, vodka etc?Still a fair amount of alcohol.
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Hi El Deano,
It’s not subject to ADR if the alcohol is <24% by volume
As a teetotaller, I’ve no idea if the alcohol content of whiskey or vodka is more than that.
If the alcohol content happens to be >24% by volume, there are still exemptions in ADR that mean that you can still carry it in any amount provided that it’s bottled.