Thanks for info again, is their a requirement for Proper Shipping Name to be on both sides for UK and international journeys on tank containers?
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Boris1971:
Thanks for info again, is their a requirement for Proper Shipping Name to be on both sides for UK and international journeys on tank containers?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The proper shipping name is required under IMDG regs, (International Maritime Dangerous Goods) IIRC so unless you are crossing water you don’t need to display it, either the CDG Road or ADR markings will be sufficient. So, Edinburgh to Sittingborne, CDG markings. Edinburgh to Paris, ADR markings plus the IMDG ones.
Now a question of my own for Diesel Dave:
We know that a tanker is assumed to be full until its purged, so you couldn’t have a non-ADR driver driving a petrol tanker with just 500l of 1202 in it because a tanker with any in scope product must be marked up under the full regulations, regardless of quantity. How does that apply to IBCs? Could I send out a non-ADR driver with two standard 1000l IBCs, each filled with 450l of 1202, or do the rules make the same assumption, that any product in an IBC means the IBC is full of the product?
nsmith1180:
Boris1971:
Thanks for info again, is their a requirement for Proper Shipping Name to be on both sides for UK and international journeys on tank containers?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The proper shipping name is required under IMDG regs, (International Maritime Dangerous Goods) IIRC so unless you are crossing water you don’t need to display it, either the CDG Road or ADR markings will be sufficient. So, Edinburgh to Sittingborne, CDG markings. Edinburgh to Paris, ADR markings plus the IMDG ones.
You have this absolutely spot-on . 
nsmith1180:
Now a question of my own for Diesel Dave:We know that a tanker is assumed to be full until its purged, so you couldn’t have a non-ADR driver driving a petrol tanker with just 500l of 1202 in it because a tanker with any in scope product must be marked up under the full regulations, regardless of quantity.
Spot on again!!
nsmith1180:
How does that apply to IBCs? Could I send out a non-ADR driver with two standard 1000l IBCs, each filled with 450l of 1202, or do the rules make the same assumption, that any product in an IBC means the IBC is full of the product?
This is the reason that I made the distinction that an IBC is a package.
Once we know that, it’ll be the rules for packages that apply to them.
The rules for packages are that it is the total of the substance(s) that must be taken into account, so your scenario of 2 X 1,000 litre IBC each filled with 450 litres makes a total of 900 litres, which is NOT EXCEEDING the 1,000 litre ‘allowance’ for UN 1202.
If you scroll upwards to one of my answers to the OP, I’ve covered this in detail including how ‘empties’ are treated my post of Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:42 pm.
That’s not to detract from your question, it’s just to save me typing it all over again!! 
I hope this helps those who (very wrongly) call an IBC a ‘tank’ in that that’s where the very same people claim that the rules are complicated or confusing when they aren’t. 
Is this right, as I was taught on ADR course.
ADR must be marked all four sides for crossing the Woolwich Ferry as it is classed as a water crossing and therefore subject to IMDG rules?
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El Deano:
Is this right, as I was taught on ADR course.ADR must be marked all four sides for crossing the Woolwich Ferry as it is classed as a water crossing and therefore subject to IMDG rules?
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I may be wrong but I thought the carriage of dangerous goods is prohibited on the Woolwich ferry?
Edit: just found the link…
tfl.gov.uk/modes/river/woolwich-ferry
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Lee1976:
El Deano:
Is this right, as I was taught on ADR course.ADR must be marked all four sides for crossing the Woolwich Ferry as it is classed as a water crossing and therefore subject to IMDG rules?
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I may be wrong but I thought the carriage of dangerous goods is prohibited on the Woolwich ferry?
Edit: just found the link…
tfl.gov.uk/modes/river/woolwich-ferry
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It is. Same as all the east London tunnels
Lee1976:
… I may be wrong but I thought the carriage of dangerous goods is prohibited on the Woolwich ferry?
Hi Lee1976,
You’re quite right mate, this is from the link you gave:
Woolwich Ferry:
Dangerous goodsVehicles displaying Hazchem signs are prohibited.
The International Maritime Dangerous Goods Code contains a list of dangerous or harmful substances known as the Dangerous Goods List. Any vehicle or trailer carrying any substance specified in the Dangerous Goods List will not be allowed on the Woolwich Ferry.
This excludes any fuel that is contained in the tanks of the vehicle and is used for moving the vehicle or operating its equipment.
El Deano:
Is this right, as I was taught on ADR course.ADR must be marked all four sides for crossing the Woolwich Ferry as it is classed as a water crossing and therefore subject to IMDG rules?
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Hi El Deano,
Maybe you didn’t remember correctly, or maybe the ADR instructor gave you duff info, but a cargo of dangerous goods simply isn’t allowed on the Woolwich Ferry.
The Woolwich Ferry does indeed use IMDG to the effect of refusing to carry any dangerous substance or article mentioned in the IMDG dangerous goods list.
Dave’s ADR trivia:
IMDG regulates far more substances and articles as ‘dangerous’ than ADR does.
Looks like ADR bloke added 1+1 and got 3.
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