Adr question about car batterys

[largebloke1969]

Hi chaps ,just a quick question would 17 pallets of car batteries come under the adr regs ? Answers on a postcard plz

[hutpik]

As an ADR dummy i would say it depends if they are ready filled with acid or dry.

[largebloke1969]

hutpik:
As an ADR dummy i would say it depends if they are ready filled with acid or dry.

Forgot to say they are ready for use and about a ton a pallet that’s all I know

[hutpik]

I’m genuinely curious [as a dummy] to the answer to this.Consider the worst case scenario,if the wagon turned over.What would spill out,just battery’s or a leakage of acid.Would this then become a ‘‘hazardous incident’’.

[khdgsa]

No, provided they’re new, the terminals are covered to prevent short circuits, and there’s something like a sheet of ply between layers so the batteries aren’t resting directly on top of each other.

[syramax]

just a thought , are batteries still filled with acid ? I thought things were moving towards gel filled . or is that just leisure batteries its been many years since I had to top one up or put one on charge for that matter .

[ajf3011]

Car batteries generally would come under ADR regs as a Class 8 corrosive UN 2794.

I believe there is however a derogation in the regs that allows transport of any quantity of batteries without ADR providing they are packaged and secured in such a way that they can’t slip or fall, are undamaged with no signs of leaks and protected from short circuits.

So to clear things up, they might be ADR or they might not…sorry

[dieseldave]

AJF3011:
Car batteries generally would come under ADR regs as a Class 8 corrosive UN 2794.

I believe there is however a derogation in the regs that allows transport of any quantity of batteries without ADR providing they are packaged and secured in such a way that they can’t slip or fall, are undamaged with no signs of leaks and protected from short circuits.

Hi AJF3011,

Both you and khdgsa have this correct.

As long as the (new) batteries meet the requirements of Special Provision 598(a), they aren’t subject to the requirements of ADR:

Here’s chapter and verse:

ADR SP598 The following are not subject to the requirements of ADR:
(a) New storage batteries when:

• they are secured in such a way that they cannot slip, fall or be damaged;
• they are provided with carrying devices, unless they are suitably stacked, e.g. on pallets;
• there are no dangerous traces of alkalis or acids on the outside;
• they are protected against short circuits;

Once we know where the goalposts are, it’s quite easy to comply so as to be able to carry a full load of these batteries without an ADR licence or an orange plate in sight.

AJF3011:
So to clear things up, they might be ADR or they might not…sorry

Of course… if the consignment of batteries doesn’t meet the above, then they’d have to be carried using all applicable provisions of ADR.

[mikey_d]

I once too a curtainsider with scrap copper cable / pipe etc from a local scrapyard to A big scrapyard in west brom . I wasn’t involved in the loading etc and didn’t realise till we got to the unload point that there was a couple of “dolavs” full of car batteries
Mind you the receiving wasn’t too happy either as they were supposed in be in proper containers with lids etc …
The ■■■■ would of hit the fan if pulled by vosa / had an accident etc
I certainly wouldn’t be doing that run again
I’ll leave that to another mug

[radar19]

Mikey D:
I once too a curtainsider with scrap copper cable / pipe etc from a local scrapyard to A big scrapyard in west brom . I wasn’t involved in the loading etc and didn’t realise till we got to the unload point that there was a couple of “dolavs” full of car batteries
Mind you the receiving wasn’t too happy either as they were supposed in be in proper containers with lids etc …
The [zb] would of hit the fan if pulled by vosa / had an accident etc
I certainly wouldn’t be doing that run again
I’ll leave that to another mug

Pretty sure you as the driver wouldn’t get done, its the responsiblty of the sender to notify the carrier who then gets a qualified driver when ADR is on board.

[latique]

dieseldave:

AJF3011:
Car batteries generally would come under ADR regs as a Class 8 corrosive UN 2794.

I believe there is however a derogation in the regs that allows transport of any quantity of batteries without ADR providing they are packaged and secured in such a way that they can’t slip or fall, are undamaged with no signs of leaks and protected from short circuits.

Hi AJF3011,

Both you and khdgsa have this correct.

As long as the (new) batteries meet the requirements of Special Provision 598(a), they aren’t subject to the requirements of ADR:

Here’s chapter and verse:

ADR SP598 The following are not subject to the requirements of ADR:
(a) New storage batteries when:

• they are secured in such a way that they cannot slip, fall or be damaged;
• they are provided with carrying devices, unless they are suitably stacked, e.g. on pallets;
• there are no dangerous traces of alkalis or acids on the outside;
• they are protected against short circuits;

Once we know where the goalposts are, it’s quite easy to comply so as to be able to carry a full load of these batteries without an ADR licence or an orange plate in sight.

AJF3011:
So to clear things up, they might be ADR or they might not…sorry

Of course… if the consignment of batteries doesn’t meet the above, then they’d have to be carried using all applicable provisions of ADR.

re stacked on a pallet and secured ? had this once told pallet of batteries plus screen wash wrapped in shrinkwrap for motor world get to delivery and moving pallet onto tail lift with pump truck when the whole lot tips off the back just missing the girl from motorworld guess where the screen wash had been placed bye the polish picker ? yep your right on the bottom under the twenty batteries !

[simon1958]

Are said batteries charged and gassing H2… ?

[largebloke1969]

Haven’t a clue pal there goin to Andrew pages at Chesterfield so I presume there ready to be fitted and used , thank for the replies so far boys