ADR Lite ?

Had a full load of ceramic floor tiles to move which included 2 pallets of adhesive to suit.

When picking the trailer up from the docks, I noticed it had white diamond stickers with triangular black segments top and bottom stuck on and the paperwork referred to the transportation of dangerous goods.

When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

Is this correct? The load was delivered successfully. Any info such as whether I should have displayed the orange ADR plate on my unit etc would be appreciated.

Cheers as always.

Puggy

puggy:
Had a full load of ceramic floor tiles to move which included 2 pallets of adhesive to suit.

When picking the trailer up from the docks, I noticed it had white diamond stickers with triangular black segments top and bottom stuck on and the paperwork referred to the transportation of dangerous goods.

When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

Is this correct? The load was delivered successfully. Any info such as whether I should have displayed the orange ADR plate on my unit etc would be appreciated.

Cheers as always.

Puggy

I don’t have adr so if I’m wrong I’m sure someone will be along to correct me.

In a nutshell, some stuff that doesn’t need warnings for road transport, does for sea transport.

Yeah, that’s me done.

That sounds correct, I have seen similar situations with a couple of pallets of household bleach on a trailer with pallets of fabric conditioner and washing up liquid.
The black and white sticker covers you for this.
Now what qualifies as a limited quantity, I’m not sure

puggy:
Had a full load of ceramic floor tiles to move which included 2 pallets of adhesive to suit.

When picking the trailer up from the docks, I noticed it had white diamond stickers with triangular black segments top and bottom stuck on and the paperwork referred to the transportation of dangerous goods.

When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

Is this correct? The load was delivered successfully. Any info such as whether I should have displayed the orange ADR plate on my unit etc would be appreciated.

Cheers as always.

Puggy

I think all depend from UN number.Transport group,packing group.

puggy:
Had a full load of ceramic floor tiles to move which included 2 pallets of adhesive to suit.

When picking the trailer up from the docks, I noticed it had white diamond stickers with triangular black segments top and bottom stuck on and the paperwork referred to the transportation of dangerous goods.

When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

Is this correct? The load was delivered successfully. Any info such as whether I should have displayed the orange ADR plate on my unit etc would be appreciated.

Cheers as always.

Puggy

I would imagine one has to pull in behind the fuel tankers at the Dartford Crossing - because of the huge risk of getting “stuck” there that abounds these days. :stuck_out_tongue:

puggy:
Had a full load of ceramic floor tiles to move which included 2 pallets of adhesive to suit.

When picking the trailer up from the docks, I noticed it had white diamond stickers with triangular black segments top and bottom stuck on and the paperwork referred to the transportation of dangerous goods.

When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

Is this correct? The load was delivered successfully. Any info such as whether I should have displayed the orange ADR plate on my unit etc would be appreciated.

Cheers as always.

Puggy

You shouldn’t have taken it if you hadn’t had ADR awareness training. The vehicle wouldn’t have needed any markings as I’d doubt the adhesive weighed in excess of 8 ton. If the load is over 8 tons, the vehicle requires ltd qty markings to the front and rear. And if it’s a container it requires placards on all four sides. No orange boards required front or rear, but you should pull into the has check at the dartford tunnel

puggy:
When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

IMO you asked the question, as far as i’m aware ( and I stand ready to be corrected by Diesel Dave) this would absolve you of any responsibility as drivers even with an ADR, are not expected to know what comes into scope. When I go into someplace to load what I’ve been told is an ADR load, I always ask the shipper if the load falls under ADR and do I need my orange plates up, if he says no I get him to endorse that transport doc saying that and if I were to get a tug, I would be in the clear.

scottie0011:

puggy:
When I queried this with the transport office, as I don’t have ADR they said it wasn’t a problem as it was only limited quantities.

IMO you asked the question, as far as i’m aware ( and I stand ready to be corrected by Diesel Dave) this would absolve you of any responsibility as drivers even with an ADR, are not expected to know what comes into scope. When I go into someplace to load what I’ve been told is an ADR load, I always ask the shipper if the load falls under ADR and do I need my orange plates up, if he says no I get him to endorse that transport doc saying that and if I were to get a tug, I would be in the clear.

Spot-on mate, I couldn’t have said this any differently. :smiley:

bigdave789:
That sounds correct, I have seen similar situations with a couple of pallets of household bleach on a trailer with pallets of fabric conditioner and washing up liquid.
The black and white sticker covers you for this.
Now what qualifies as a limited quantity, I’m not sure

Hi bigdave789,

That’s where the devil is in the detail mate, so it’s not surprising that there’s a lot of mystery about it. :smiley:

Some goods are only hazardous, but hazardous is NOT the same as dangerous.

Hazardous goods have their own labels, which are normally there to inform the user of the goods that the goods are hazardous to them in some way.

The hazardous goods labelling system is being changed, so you could see this old one for flammability:

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OR the new version:

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If those (or similar) are the only labels, then anybody can carry any amount because the ‘stuff’ is only hazardous.
Screen-wash and anti-freeze are normally carried by using the above labels.

The same ‘stuff’ in a very concentrated form is actually dangerous goods (UN 1993) and are in UN Class 3 as ‘dangerous’ goods.
A UN Class 3 label looks like this:

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By use of the ‘small load’ exemption, non-ADR trained drivers can carry some packaged dangerous goods but there is a limit (depending on severity of danger) to how much is allowed to be carried on the vehicle.
In this case, ‘packaged’ means drums, boxes, IBCs, jerricans and crates etc = the normal types of package.

There is a separate exemption, normally used in the retail sector, which is called Limited Quantities (LQs.)
To answer your question about what qualifies as LQs, the LQ exemption is best thought of as the kind of dangerous goods that can be bought over the counter in a retail shop, things like paint, adhesive, ink, perfume, fertiliser AND when packaged in a form (smallish) used for retail sale. Different substances have different allowable LQ receptacle sizes.

When packaged in this way, a consignment can be shipped as LQs, using this label:

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When carrying LQs, there is NO LIMIT to the amount loaded, AND the vast majority of the ADR rules DON’T apply.
There are limits to the receptacle size and the max weight of a box or tray, and a couple of labelling/marking requirements, but these are for the sender to get right. The sender also MUST inform the carrier (your boss) of the shipment.

When carrying LQs, there is a placarding rule for vehicles.
A vehicle of >12t permitted GVW carrying >8t of LQ goods must display a 250mm X 250mm (= placard) version of the LQ label above.
The driver needs to have some form of documented ADR awareness, (NOT an ADR licence) but this doesn’t have to be carried on board the vehicle.

Just to be clear… a 7.5t vehicle carrying a full load of LQs does NOT need placards.
A full sized artic carrying **<**8t of LQs does NOT need placards.

when I loaded out of Thames Valley Hub one night I had a pallet of shotgun cartridges,

As it was a small quantity & no labels I chose not to FIRE off any questions, so I didn’t get SHOT down in flames,
I decided to BANG on, and had no problems.

I’d better leave now - get out of RANGE !!