im doing some agency work for a company that hauls refridgent gas cylinders among other things.in my induction i had to sign endless sheets of paper and i recall one stating that my limit was 330kg with no ‘adr’ training.today,two weeks later, im asked to haul a load of cylinders.950kg in total.boss told me limit has now increased.i can haul 980kg with no training whatsoever.this seems a very professional company and is nationwide.i couldnt imagine being lied to by them.i took the load.i cant see what else to do i a situation like that.could of asked the agent i suppose,but they probably wont know.anyone know anything about this?
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ten4rubberduckie:
im doing some agency work for a company that hauls refridgent gas cylinders among other things.in my induction i had to sign endless sheets of paper and i recall one stating that my limit was 330kg with no ‘adr’ training.
Hi ten4rubberduckie, If you’re sure that the number was “330kg” with no ADR, then the person who told you that simply doesn’t know what they talking about. One of ADR’s limits is 333kg, but the limit depends on the degree of danger presented by the dangerous goods in question.
ten4rubberduckie:
today,two weeks later, im asked to haul a load of cylinders.950kg in total.
Another one of the limits that he’s guessing at is 1,000, but if that’s the case, then you were possibly OK with “950kg in total.”
ten4rubberduckie:
boss told me limit has now increased.
Blimey mate, you couldn’t make this up.
Actually, the limits increased at midnight on 9th May 2004, so has he been somewhere very far away for 6 years?? 
On that date, the gas industry was one of the winners.
The limit for toxic gases (UN Class 2.3 with a white label) remained at 20kg.
The limit for flammable gases (UN Class 2.1 with a red label) went up from 200kg to 333kg.
The limit for non-toxic, non-flammable gases (UN Class 2.2 with a green label) went up from 500kg to 1,000kg.
ten4rubberduckie:
i can haul 980kg with no training whatsoever.
As I said above, it depends on the degree of danger presented by the dangerous goods in question.
In the case of gases, the deciding factor is whether the one in question had a white, red or green label. Then there’s a variable, which is whether the gas is ‘just’ a gas, or whether it’s liquified.
ten4rubberduckie:
this seems a very professional company and is nationwide.i couldnt imagine being lied to by them.i took the load.i cant see what else to do i a situation like that.could of asked the agent i suppose,but they probably wont know.anyone know anything about this?
Fair comment about them not lying to you, but that leaves it that they seriously don’t know what they’re talking about.
The company are under a legal duty to appoint a properly qualified Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor (DGSA) and it’s that person’s job to see to it all the staff who have duties concerning dangerous goods have had documented training commensurate with their responsibilities within the company. What I can say for a fact is that somebody is falling down on their job at that company.
Now to your very good question…
Before I can answer you, I need a little info in order that I can give you an accurate answer please…
Can you remember what was written on your paperwork??
For instance, there should have been the letters “UN” followed by a four digit number, then the name of the gas, then either 2.1 or 2.2
As an example of what info I’ll need, it’ll look something like: UN 1028 REFRIGERANT GAS R 12, 2.2 (This would have a green label.)
If you can give me that info, I can give you the figure you need to know in order to stay legal.
(It’s probably 1,000kg but I’m not sticking my neck out on this question just yet.)
The reason I’m asking is that there are around 35 types of refrigerant gases to choose from.
i cant remember what paperwork said now.the bit of imfo you gave me has helped though.i found it was compressed gas so i should have been ok.finished with that firm this week now,but ive took down the figures you gave me.gives me a rough idea.i was thinking of doing a days cpc on adr.im sure they do one on adr?
ten4rubberduckie:
i cant remember what paperwork said now.the bit of imfo you gave me has helped though.i found it was compressed gas so i should have been ok.finished with that firm this week now,but ive took down the figures you gave me.gives me a rough idea.i was thinking of doing a days cpc on adr.im sure they do one on adr?
Hi mate,
Please remember that the method for calculating the ‘20’ ‘333’ or ‘1,000’ varies.
It’s NOT ALWAYS calculated in Kgs for gases.
You could just do day #1 of an ADR course and count it as ‘ADR awareness,’ but you’d have to ask the provider a couple of questions…
Q1.) Are you registered for driver CPC??
Q2.) Have you registered each day of your ADR course separately??
If you get stuck with this, please let me know roughly whereabouts in the country you are and I’ll try to help.
You could PM me if you prefer.
ill have athink on that.thats great.cheers