ADR in Europe.

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS EURO DRIVING FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Basically, i dont have an ADR License, but have been told that i can legally carry Liimted Quantities. Now, in the UK it doesnt seem to be a problem, as i got pulled by VOSA at Pease Pottage Tuesday last and they checked all the paperwork and didnt have a problem with me not having an ADR for limited quantities. Is this correct, or have i been mis-informed??

Secondly…

When something is “Only ADR by Sea”, do i have to have an ADR License even though when the truck is on the boat, to my mind is not my responsibility(Its the resposibility of the Ferry company in my book). Some have said to me, that even if its only ADR by Sea, you still have to have an ADR License for the ADR catergory you are carrying. Again, is this correct??

Just after some clarification on the above as i dont want a nicking for something that can be avoided, but dont want to refuse to load something when there is no reason to, if that makes sense.

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Me thinks you need dieseldave :exclamation:

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Dieseldave is your man for this really.

As I understand it though.

For Limited Quantities, you don’t need an ADR.
The CMR for your load has to be annotated ‘Limited Quantities’, with all the usual ADR notes.
You should also have a Dangerous Goods Note, with ‘Limited Quantities’ marked on it.
You don’t normally need Trem Cards for the goods, but if you’re given them keep them handy, in case of emergency.
Once you have unloaded whatever it is, get rid of the Trem Cards. The reason for this is that, if you should be involved in an incident and not able to say anything (I hope not of course) the emergency services have to assume you are carrying these dangerous goods and react accordingly.

ADR by Sea doesn’t actually exist as such.
Dangerous Goods transported by sea come under IMDG rules. (International Maritime Dangerous Goods).
As you say, the goods on your trailer come under these rules once your on the ferry, so it’s the ferry’s responsibility. That’s why you need all the info on your notes, so they know what they are getting in your load.

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BuzzardBoy:
Basically, i dont have an ADR License, but have been told that i can legally carry Liimted Quantities.

Hi BuzzardBoy, That’s correct mate, but only as long as you and the person who told you understand the concept of Limited Quantities (LQs.)
Just to make sure of that, please read my reply to MrFlibble about two-thirds of the way down THIS POST (That saves me typing it all again.:grimacing:)

BuzzardBoy:
Now, in the UK it doesnt seem to be a problem, as i got pulled by VOSA at Pease Pottage Tuesday last and they checked all the paperwork and didnt have a problem with me not having an ADR for limited quantities. Is this correct, or have i been mis-informed??

VOSA were quite right not to be concerned in that case, because an ADR licence isn’t required for ANY amount of dangerous goods packed in Limited Quantities. The UK Regs are exactly the same as ADR on the subject of Limited Quantities, so it follows that you should also have had no problem if you were stop-checked with the same load in any other ADR member country.

BuzzardBoy:
Secondly…

When something is “Only ADR by Sea”, do i have to have an ADR License even though when the truck is on the boat, to my mind is not my responsibility(Its the resposibility of the Ferry company in my book). Some have said to me, that even if its only ADR by Sea, you still have to have an ADR License for the ADR catergory you are carrying. Again, is this correct??

You’re correct again BuzzardBoy, because ADR isn’t valid by sea.
I think that the “some” might be getting their Regs mixed up here mate. :wink:
The Regs for transporting dangerous goods internationally by road are called “ADR”.
The Regs for transporting dangerous goods by sea are called “The IMDG Code”. TIP: The “M” stands for “Maritime.” :wink:

You’ll normally need a Dangerous Goods Note (DGN) and the rest of your paperwork to present to the ferry company when you book your crossing. The ferry company will then check the requirements of IMDG as it affects your load and vehicle, and the ship’s crew will also do their part and either park you in a hold, or on what IMDG calls a “weather deck.” The requirements of IMDG are of no concern to a truck driver, because your truck is a piece of freight and you are a passenger. IMDG doesn’t mention an ADR licence anywhere in their Regulations. :wink:
However, IMDG does mention the responsibilities of the booking clerk and the ship’s master and crew, and some other things like whereabouts on the boat that certain cargoes may be placed in relation to the crew’s living quarters. In short, IMDG is a completely different set of Regs to ADR.
Part of IMDG (known as “the supplement”) is called “MFAG,” which deals with fire, spillages and first-aid on ships, and ADR doesn’t really have an equivalent to this.
There are some other Regs, such as SOLAS and MARPOL amongst others, that affect shipping, but again ADR isn’t one of them.

BuzzardBoy:
Just after some clarification on the above as i dont want a nicking for something that can be avoided, but dont want to refuse to load something when there is no reason to, if that makes sense.

:smiley: No problem BuzzardBoy, your questions make perfect sense to me.:grimacing:
Simon’s answer was spot-on, but I hope he doesn’t mind me expanding it a bit. :smiley:
I hope my answer is helpful. :smiley:

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dieseldave:

BuzzardBoy:
Just after some clarification on the above as i dont want a nicking for something that can be avoided, but dont want to refuse to load something when there is no reason to, if that makes sense.

:smiley: No problem BuzzardBoy, your questions make perfect sense to me.:grimacing:
Simon’s answer was spot-on, but I hope he doesn’t mind me expanding it a bit. :smiley:
I hope my answer is helpful. :smiley:

I’ll do the ‘short and sweet’ answers (or try to) Dave.
You give then the full unexpunged version. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Simon:
I’ll do the ‘short and sweet’ answers (or try to) Dave.
You give then the full unexpunged version. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I’ll do my best.:grimacing: