Spongebob30:
I have found a PDF file for both of the adr bibles (the two big orange books) that you can download for free from unece.org website look for the ADR section i find them handy to have available on my laptop if I’m not sure on things.
Thanks spongebob that’s a great resourse to have:-P
k21pilot:
Spongebob30:
I have found a PDF file for both of the adr bibles (the two big orange books) that you can download for free from unece.org website look for the ADR section i find them handy to have available on my laptop if I’m not sure on things.Thanks spongebob that’s a great resourse to have:-P
Do you guys seriously think it’s as simple as downloading a couple of .pdf files and that’s it■■?
Those two orange books aren’t fully valid for all UK domestic dangerous goods work, so please be careful when you decide something based on what you think you understand, because there are many twists and turns.
I found a couple of helpful items on Amazon
dieseldave:
Those two orange books aren’t fully valid for all UK domestic dangerous goods work, so please be careful when you decide something based on what you think you understand, because there are many twists and turns.
I Passed my ADR course just before christmas so have not been doing it too long.
I wouldn’t say the ADR course is as simple as downloading a couple of pdf files the way i see it is that I’m only just starting to learn about ADR and i will never know it all as the saying goes every days a school day.
When we did our course we was told that the orange books are a good reference point and cost quite a bit to buy but i found them files online and free to download so just thought it would help
k21pilot:
pavaroti:
Puddlejumper:
If you are in need of help and you have an Android phone you can download an ADR app from the Android Market for free.Whats it called? I cannae find it.
Im employed as an ADR driver but have forgotten most the stuff your supposed to know so an app would be very handy for this boring subject.
The app is called “dangerous goods manual” in the app market and the icon is a black flame on orange background. I’ve downloaded it and had a look, its not bad but its really for reference and not meant for study! It might come in handy after qualification.
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Thanks, just got it, looks well handy.
Spongebob30:
dieseldave:
Those two orange books aren’t fully valid for all UK domestic dangerous goods work, so please be careful when you decide something based on what you think you understand, because there are many twists and turns.
I Passed my ADR course just before christmas so have not been doing it too long.
I wouldn’t say the ADR course is as simple as downloading a couple of pdf files the way i see it is that I’m only just starting to learn about ADR and i will never know it all as the saying goes every days a school day.
When we did our course we was told that the orange books are a good reference point and cost quite a bit to buy but i found them files online and free to download so just thought it would help
Hi Spongebob30,
Congratulations on passing your ADR course. 
When I teach it (most weeks) I explain what’s required by the syllabus set by SQA, but the syllabus also states that the instructor also explains where the various responsibilities lie. The vast majority of the responsibilities lie with the consignor and the carrier.
Actually, an employed driver isn’t responsible for very much at all.
As I’ve mentioned earlier, the way that the books work is rather complicated and not easily explained on a forum.
One responsibility that both a consignor and a carrier must comply with is the requirement to appoint a qualified DGSA.
A DGSA is responsible for assisting with advice on compliance (amongst quite a few other things) and is also required to make a report to the boss annually. If you look at your .pdf files, you’ll find what I’m on about in volume 1 at 1.8.3.1
If you then carry on reading everything that begins with 1.8.3, you’ll have some idea of what it takes to qualify as a DGSA.
On the other hand, if you look in volume 2 at 8.2.1 and 8.2.2, you’ll see the requirements for driver training, and I hope you’ll see the difference in responsibilities.
A lot of bosses/TMs think that they send drivers on ADR courses so that the drivers can learn the Regs, but they couldn’t be more wrong. This is one of the most popular ADR myths, and of course it’s complete nonsense.
A boss who thinks in this way is living in fluffy cloud cuckoo land, and is only demonstrating their ignorance of the subject.
For such a boss/TM, the newsflash is that stuff like that ceased to be a driver’s responsibility in the UK in May 2004, and he really needs to read 8.2.4 and get their DGSA to deal with it.
Please don’t worry about ‘getting stuck’ with ADR, cos all it takes is a phone call to the responsible person.
dieseldave:
Spongebob30:
dieseldave:
Those two orange books aren’t fully valid for all UK domestic dangerous goods work, so please be careful when you decide something based on what you think you understand, because there are many twists and turns.
I Passed my ADR course just before christmas so have not been doing it too long.
I wouldn’t say the ADR course is as simple as downloading a couple of pdf files the way i see it is that I’m only just starting to learn about ADR and i will never know it all as the saying goes every days a school day.
When we did our course we was told that the orange books are a good reference point and cost quite a bit to buy but i found them files online and free to download so just thought it would helpHi Spongebob30,
Congratulations on passing your ADR course.
When I teach it (most weeks) I explain what’s required by the syllabus set by SQA, but the syllabus also states that the instructor also explains where the various responsibilities lie. The vast majority of the responsibilities lie with the consignor and the carrier.
As I’ve mentioned earlier, the way that the books work is rather complicated and not easily explained on a forum.
One responsibility that both a consignor and a carrier must comply with is the requirement to appoint a qualified DGSA.
A DGSA is responsible for assisting with advice on compliance (amongst quite a few other things) and is also required to make a report to the boss annually. If you look at your .pdf files, you’ll find what I’m on about in volume 1 at 1.8.3.1If you then carry on reading everything that begins with 1.8.3, you’ll have some idea of what it takes to qualify as a DGSA.
On the other hand, if you look in volume 2 at 8.2.1 and 8.2.2, you’ll see the requirements for driver training, and I hope you’ll see the difference in responsibilities.
A lot of bosses/TMs think that they send drivers on ADR courses so that the drivers can learn the Regs, but they couldn’t be more wrong. This is one of the most popular ADR myths, and of course it’s complete nonsense.
A boss who thinks in this way is living in fluffy cloud cuckoo land, and is only demonstrating their ignorance of the subject.
For such a boss/TM, the newsflash is that stuff like that ceased to be a driver’s responsibility in the UK in May 2004, and he really needs to read 8.2.4 and get their DGSA to deal with it.Please don’t worry about ‘getting stuck’ with ADR, cos all it takes is a phone call to the responsible person.
Thanks dieseldave. I think my problem is (and its a problem I’ve always had) is that I research the crap out of anything e.g when doing theory tests, practical courses or cpc etc etc, I read all the relevant books front to back and trawl the net so that I do it right! That’s why I asked in my OP about any books that might’ve been available.
So when I decided to do ADR I thought there would be a lot more to it (and alot more driver responsibility) than what others are mentioning. Think ill just go with flow on the course!!! From what you’ve mentioned dieseldave, do you think drivers should have more responsibility when it comes to ADR? Or it that another question for another part of the forum lol?
Hi Diesel Dave,
As most of the work I do through the firm is in the EU, there are differences in the layout of DGN’s and sometimes it pays to scrutinise them very carefully before pulling out of the pickup point and that is when there are occasional mistakes and omissions are made.
I was first caught out with a part load of perfume which had a large amount of plain Ethanol hidden amongst it which was not declared on the DGN. I have also had cases involving food additives and colourants.
Puddlejumper:
Hi Diesel Dave,
As most of the work I do through the firm is in the EU, there are differences in the layout of DGN’s and sometimes it pays to scrutinise them very carefully before pulling out of the pickup point and that is when there are occasional mistakes and omissions are made.
Hi Puddlejumper,
I completely agree with your observation that DGNs can vary, but regardless of the possible variations, how is a driver supposed to know exactly what info is actually required on a DGN for a particular UN number?
Puddlejumper:
I was first caught out with a part load of perfume which had a large amount of plain Ethanol hidden amongst it which was not declared on the DGN. I have also had cases involving food additives and colourants.
Again, I completely agree with your observation, and I’ll add a few of the things I’ve dealt with to your (correct) list of document entries commonly cocked-up by consignors:
Paint, Printing ink, Alcohols and Adhesives, all of which have multiple PGs listed for each UN number.
Consignors need to take particular care with N.O.S. and ‘generic’ entries as well as ‘solutions and mixtures’ on documentation.
