Flat rate Taxation @ 12% would sort out the “tax” dodging, you have got to be a complete idiot to try and duck 12% ?
Every country that brought in FRT have seen their tax receipts rise, as everybody contributes 
As for Zero Hours, I`ve been of them since I was 18, its called working for thee sen 
Works for me, but I do make hay whilst the sun shines, unlike a lot of my mates 
Flat rate tax is a great idea - but on it’s own it won’t work.
You need “flat rate” AND “no offsets for anyone”.
If we ALL paid 15% flat rate on our entire earnings - no exceptions, no accountants, no “expenses” - then the deficit would change to a surplus overnight.
Having to pay for your own stuff would also make people a bit more choosy in how your own money gets spent at work in future as well…
Prices would fall in many areas.
Company Car drivers filling up at MSAs despite it being nearly 20p/litre dearer than just about everywhere else
would stop, and forecourt prices would be under deflationary pressure in those areas where 90%+ of customers are spending the taxpayer’s cashback that “business expenses” amount to.
Meanwhile, us ordinary workers get told that “don’t expect to be able to claim meals/fuel/stationary expenses unless you are proper self-employed in future”…
Cameron gets to have his kitchen done, his garden done, and anything else that saves him from having to spend a penny of his wage as PM. The other 649 MPs have all got their noses in that trough as well eh?
Tris:
Of course more people would get permanent jobs. That’s how it always used to be. Agencies only really sprung up in the last 20 years or so as a means for fat cats to get around employment laws and to break Union strength. Divide and rule, divide and conquer. In you they’ve got the perfect Tory voter; a mug who’s working class that’s been taken in by their lies. The bottom line that you should never forget is that the Tories are the party of the upper class, always have been always will be. They don’t give a [zb] about people like you.
You are so, so wrong. Agencies, in one form or another, have been around for as long as there’s been paid employment. Even the JobCentre is effectively an agency, albeit largely publicly funded.
You might be interested to know that the Employment Agencies Act 1973, which set out the first official set of regulations which agencies had to follow (and is still law) was in fact instigated as a private members Bill by Sir Kenneth Lewis, Conservative MP for Rutland. ~Prior to that agencies were pretty much unregulated. Subsequent governments of both sides have done little to change the law.
Regarding the unions; they were pretty much responsible for their own downfall. And I say that as a paid-up member.
All I care is I’m far better off now, under a conservative government. If I’m better off, my family is better off. I’m the sole income in my household, on a fairly average wage, working class and proud. Under labour I had most of my hard earned removed from my pay and got sod all in return. Call me selfish but my main aim in life is to look after my little girl, my wife and myself (in that order) so yes, my cross will be going in the box marked ‘conservative’ every time.
It’s like sport’s fans etc.We all know how to manage a club so why are Labour trying to tell what the Tories to do about the economy when they couldn’t do it themselves.
I think that in view of all the repeats they have on television why don’t they show Yes Minister again ?!!!
Cant argue with that plant fitter. Every time Cameron brings up Millibands scoff’s that the ’ Conservatives wont improve our economy ',he goes quiet.
rastone:
It’s like sport’s fans etc.We all know how to manage a club so why are Labour trying to tell what the Tories to do about the economy when they couldn’t do it themselves.I think that in view of all the repeats they have on television why don’t they show Yes Minister again ?!!!
Good point.
And as far as “Yes Minister” is concerned; because it’s far too close to the truth for comfort!
I’m sorry Tris mate but…
"Of course more people would get permanent jobs. That’s how it always used to be. Agencies only really sprung up in the last 20 years or so as a means for fat cats to get around employment laws and to break Union strength. Divide and rule, divide and conquer. In you they’ve got the perfect Tory voter; a mug who’s working class that’s been taken in by their lies. The bottom line that you should never forget is that the Tories are the party of the upper class, always have been always will be. They don’t give a [zb] about people like you.
I’ve haven’t read so much tripe a this in a long time. As others have alluded to, blokes were using employment agencies back in the thirties when work was scarce. I’m told blokes would walk into town and queue up to see what work was available, even for a day or two at a time. The Tories may be the party of the affluent or well off, but with the exception of Dennis Skinner or Alan Johnston, you’ll find the majority of the Labour high ups are multi millionaires who went to Oxbridge etc. Hardly a working mans party…
bazza123:
I’m sorry Tris mate but…"Of course more people would get permanent jobs. That’s how it always used to be. Agencies only really sprung up in the last 20 years or so as a means for fat cats to get around employment laws and to break Union strength. Divide and rule, divide and conquer. In you they’ve got the perfect Tory voter; a mug who’s working class that’s been taken in by their lies. The bottom line that you should never forget is that the Tories are the party of the upper class, always have been always will be. They don’t give a [zb] about people like you.
I’ve haven’t read so much tripe a this in a long time. As others have alluded to, blokes were using employment agencies back in the thirties when work was scarce. I’m told blokes would walk into town and queue up to see what work was available, even for a day or two at a time. The Tories may be the party of the affluent or well off, but with the exception of Dennis Skinner or Alan Johnston, you’ll find the majority of the Labour high ups are multi millionaires who went to Oxbridge etc. Hardly a working mans party…
If you read what I wrote I was talking about the increase in positions going to agency staff, which I believe is primarily because employers want to circumvent employment rights for workers and to break Union strength. The rights we enjoy today were fought for by our fathers and grandfathers against the will of the Tory party whose sole purpose is to serve the rich, however the increase in agency use, zero hour contracts and an oversupply of immigrants is turning the clock back for the working class.
Wages are improving in certain parts of the country based on driver availability, we use 4 different agencies all paying £12-£15 an hour and we struggle to fill slots at certain times of the day and the quality of the drivers in some cases is very poor.
The problem lies within the Labour heartlands where I live for example people vote Labour because their fathers voted Labour and the involvement of the unions in many working class manufacturing regions, this country was f***** when the the Tories took over now we are the fastest growing economy in Europe if you think UKIP is the answer you must be mad if you think it’s labour who can’t decide on trident and who will need to form a coalition with the SNP who are sworn against renewing our nuclear deterrent then no.
You could put a red rosette on a chimp in South Wales and the people would vote for it and in many other parts of the country, “the party of the working man” do me a favour.
Tris:
bazza123:
I’m sorry Tris mate but…"Of course more people would get permanent jobs. That’s how it always used to be. Agencies only really sprung up in the last 20 years or so as a means for fat cats to get around employment laws and to break Union strength. Divide and rule, divide and conquer. In you they’ve got the perfect Tory voter; a mug who’s working class that’s been taken in by their lies. The bottom line that you should never forget is that the Tories are the party of the upper class, always have been always will be. They don’t give a [zb] about people like you.
I’ve haven’t read so much tripe a this in a long time. As others have alluded to, blokes were using employment agencies back in the thirties when work was scarce. I’m told blokes would walk into town and queue up to see what work was available, even for a day or two at a time. The Tories may be the party of the affluent or well off, but with the exception of Dennis Skinner or Alan Johnston, you’ll find the majority of the Labour high ups are multi millionaires who went to Oxbridge etc. Hardly a working mans party…
If you read what I wrote I was talking about the increase in positions going to agency staff, which I believe is primarily because employers want to circumvent employment rights for workers and to break Union strength. The rights we enjoy today were fought for by our fathers and grandfathers against the will of the Tory party whose sole purpose is to serve the rich, however the increase in agency use, zero hour contracts and an oversupply of immigrants is turning the clock back for the working class.
What union strength would that be then? as a general rule the tory party are on the side of people who have a go at life.
The Tory party argued against the minimum wage, Osborne lined his best mans pocket by selling off Royal Mail. They are, and always have been in existence to make the rich richer and to keep the serfs in their place at the bottom.
If it wasn’t for the rich a lot of folk would be out of work.Many of co’s are doing well and look at the lorries there are on the road and could be more if they could get the drivers.For all the folk who moan about lorries it means that there is stuff moving and has to be as you would moan if your Daily Mirror wasn’t in the newsagent
rastone:
If it wasn’t for the rich a lot of folk would be out of work.Many of co’s are doing well and look at the lorries there are on the road and could be more if they could get the drivers.For all the folk who moan about lorries it means that there is stuff moving and has to be as you would moan if your Daily Mirror wasn’t in the newsagent
You would be moaning if past generations hadn’t given you the rights you enjoy today. You just take these rights that were fought for by the trades Union movement for granted, which just shows your ignorance. If it was down to the Tories you’d work all hours God sends for a bowl of porridge.
Tris:
The Tory party argued against the minimum wage, Osborne lined his best mans pocket by selling off Royal Mail. They are, and always have been in existence to make the rich richer and to keep the serfs in their place at the bottom.
Those types are not, however, exclusively aligned to the Conservative party. The whole of the previous Labour government reeked of cronyism and the current wannabes are a shambles.
I’m old enough to remember when the Labour types you harp on about ran this country; they made such a balls of it that they were kicked out in 1979, and the Labour hierarchy of today is, as Bazza 123 says, more populated with bankers, millionaires and lawyers than the Conservatives ever were. Very few of them have what I would call the “common touch”, Frank Field being one of the few I’ve got respect for. Margaret Beckett was my local MP for a while; met her on a couple of occasions and found her more stuck-up than any Conservative I’ve ever spoken to.
Whilst I respect your socialist idealism, complete with outdated class war catchphrases, remember that George Orwell summed it up perfectly; “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. And he was a democratic socialist.
Sidevalve:
Tris:
The Tory party argued against the minimum wage, Osborne lined his best mans pocket by selling off Royal Mail. They are, and always have been in existence to make the rich richer and to keep the serfs in their place at the bottom.Those types are not, however, exclusively aligned to the Conservative party. The whole of the previous Labour government reeked of cronyism and the current wannabes are a shambles.
I’m old enough to remember when the Labour types you harp on about ran this country; they made such a balls of it that they were kicked out in 1979, and the Labour hierarchy of today is, as Bazza 123 says, more populated with bankers, millionaires and lawyers than the Conservatives ever were. Very few of them have what I would call the “common touch”, Frank Field being one of the few I’ve got respect for. Margaret Beckett was my local MP for a while; met her on a couple of occasions and found her more stuck-up than any Conservative I’ve ever spoken to.
Whilst I respect your socialist idealism, complete with outdated class war catchphrases, remember that George Orwell summed it up perfectly; “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. And he was a democratic socialist.
Name one privatisation that’s been a good thing.
mike68:
Tris:
bazza123:
I’m sorry Tris mate but…"Of course more people would get permanent jobs. That’s how it always used to be. Agencies only really sprung up in the last 20 years or so as a means for fat cats to get around employment laws and to break Union strength. Divide and rule, divide and conquer. In you they’ve got the perfect Tory voter; a mug who’s working class that’s been taken in by their lies. The bottom line that you should never forget is that the Tories are the party of the upper class, always have been always will be. They don’t give a [zb] about people like you.
I’ve haven’t read so much tripe a this in a long time. As others have alluded to, blokes were using employment agencies back in the thirties when work was scarce. I’m told blokes would walk into town and queue up to see what work was available, even for a day or two at a time. The Tories may be the party of the affluent or well off, but with the exception of Dennis Skinner or Alan Johnston, you’ll find the majority of the Labour high ups are multi millionaires who went to Oxbridge etc. Hardly a working mans party…
If you read what I wrote I was talking about the increase in positions going to agency staff, which I believe is primarily because employers want to circumvent employment rights for workers and to break Union strength. The rights we enjoy today were fought for by our fathers and grandfathers against the will of the Tory party whose sole purpose is to serve the rich, however the increase in agency use, zero hour contracts and an oversupply of immigrants is turning the clock back for the working class.
What union strength would that be then? as a general rule the tory party are on the side of people who have a go at life.
I agree Labour hate people getting on, innovators, those who do well. This is just a reflection of their political philosophy, to represent the working man against those who OWN the means of production.
In theory.
It didn’t stop Tony Blair cosying up to the rich and famous, to be fair he does not come from a working background. Neither do the Millibands.
I disagree with a lot of what Cameron has done, for instance on foreign aid; but I don’t buy the crocodile tears of the Labour Party as they have as much form if not more, than anyone.
People need to vote for what they see as the best party for them and their circumstances, not because everyone on their street or dad and grandad voted for them!
NONE of the parties represent what they used to in years gone by. Study their manifestos carefully before you make your choice…
Most of the worker rights and protections go back sometimes hundreds of years, and can’t be attributed to the industrial action of the 70’s and 80’s. There’s some really interesting legislation here
historyofosh.org.uk/themes/legislation.html
The 70’s and 80’s were shape by upheaval and the vice like grip of the unions, which a few like the FBU and the RMT, to some degree still maintain.
The net result was what ? Shut pits and car plants left abandoned. No good for anyone.
Tris:
Sidevalve:
Tris:
The Tory party argued against the minimum wage, Osborne lined his best mans pocket by selling off Royal Mail. They are, and always have been in existence to make the rich richer and to keep the serfs in their place at the bottom.Those types are not, however, exclusively aligned to the Conservative party. The whole of the previous Labour government reeked of cronyism and the current wannabes are a shambles.
I’m old enough to remember when the Labour types you harp on about ran this country; they made such a balls of it that they were kicked out in 1979, and the Labour hierarchy of today is, as Bazza 123 says, more populated with bankers, millionaires and lawyers than the Conservatives ever were. Very few of them have what I would call the “common touch”, Frank Field being one of the few I’ve got respect for. Margaret Beckett was my local MP for a while; met her on a couple of occasions and found her more stuck-up than any Conservative I’ve ever spoken to.
Whilst I respect your socialist idealism, complete with outdated class war catchphrases, remember that George Orwell summed it up perfectly; “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. And he was a democratic socialist.
Name one privatisation that’s been a good thing.
You could go and live in the Soviet Union or any number of South American countries where everything is run by the state and how well have they done, not very.
What it all comes down to in the end is very simple Socialism=poverty for the working man.
bazza123:
mike68:
Tris:
bazza123:
I’m sorry Tris mate but…"Of course more people would get permanent jobs. That’s how it always used to be. Agencies only really sprung up in the last 20 years or so as a means for fat cats to get around employment laws and to break Union strength. Divide and rule, divide and conquer. In you they’ve got the perfect Tory voter; a mug who’s working class that’s been taken in by their lies. The bottom line that you should never forget is that the Tories are the party of the upper class, always have been always will be. They don’t give a [zb] about people like you.
I’ve haven’t read so much tripe a this in a long time. As others have alluded to, blokes were using employment agencies back in the thirties when work was scarce. I’m told blokes would walk into town and queue up to see what work was available, even for a day or two at a time. The Tories may be the party of the affluent or well off, but with the exception of Dennis Skinner or Alan Johnston, you’ll find the majority of the Labour high ups are multi millionaires who went to Oxbridge etc. Hardly a working mans party…
If you read what I wrote I was talking about the increase in positions going to agency staff, which I believe is primarily because employers want to circumvent employment rights for workers and to break Union strength. The rights we enjoy today were fought for by our fathers and grandfathers against the will of the Tory party whose sole purpose is to serve the rich, however the increase in agency use, zero hour contracts and an oversupply of immigrants is turning the clock back for the working class.
What union strength would that be then? as a general rule the tory party are on the side of people who have a go at life.
I agree Labour hate people getting on, innovators, those who do well. This is just a reflection of their political philosophy, to represent the working man against those who OWN the means of production.
In theory.
It didn’t stop Tony Blair cosying up to the rich and famous, to be fair he does not come from a working background. Neither do the Millibands.
I disagree with a lot of what Cameron has done, for instance on foreign aid; but I don’t buy the crocodile tears of the Labour Party as they have as much form if not more, than anyone.
People need to vote for what they see as the best party for them and their circumstances, not because everyone on their street or dad and grandad voted for them!
NONE of the parties represent what they used to in years gone by. Study their manifestos carefully before you make your choice…
Sound advice indeed, the big picture needs to be studied not whats read in what we laughably call newspapers.
I’m not voting Labour, you get me wrong. I’m voting UKIP to hopefully shut the door to the Eastern Europeans.