In fact, I’ve done this for two days. Last Friday and the following Monday. On the Friday, I took a second break and made it back to the quarry just before seven where there was somebody waiting for me in order to lock up the place. The guy operating the digger to re-load had long gone home. I then appeared on Monday expecting somebody to have loaded my trailer as somebody said was going to happen. But this didn’t happen. So, Monday morning my first job after putting in the tacho was to load the ■■■■ trailer. The other driver had long gone to his destination. I then followed in around 30 mins or so. I was I think withink a minute or two of being able to reach the quarry before my 4.5 mins up but this first journey I decided to stop for 45. I then got back to the quarry which was only around 4 miles away and loaded and off I went again returning with a minute or so to spare. I did this in order to get a head start for the next morning. I wasn’t sure what was going to be said…whether they would say to rest and re-load or just go home and somebody else will take over or what. As it happened, he told me to take my tacho out. An after all that rushing…they didn’t even want me the next day. If I’d have known, I would have stopped. I’m back tomorrow again. I’ll ask what the other driver does out of interest but he doesn’t seem to eager to help. He wants to get away I suppose and has times everything to miss the school runs etc. Tomorrow, I’m going to be there earlier and try and follow him. So, you can see how tight things are. You can just about do this journey in 4.5 hours as long as you miss periods of slow traffic. Knwoing my luck, they won’t have already loaded me up in the morning and this will mean I’ll again be using up journey time travelling around the quarry not to mention time missed to avoid the school runs and people on their way to work. I’m getting stressed already.
Ader1:
I’m getting stressed already.
Sod em …
If the other bloke don’t wanna know take your breaks to suit and don’t run it so tight you’ll only end up doing time for killing someone or worse end up in a box yourself …
Times are a limit not a target
tachograph:
ROG:
If the base is a quarry then one journey finishes on entering that quarry/base and another journey starts on exiting that quarry/base
Loading between entering and exiting would not form part of any journeyI’ve no idea what geebee45 told you but I can guarantee he wouldn’t have told you that, that changed with the new regulations in 2007.
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
When does the journey start?Before leaving base or not?
When the journey starts is an irrelevant question.
We’ve known for years that any off-road driving that is part of a journey that goes onto public roads is in-scope and counts towards the driving time.
What is the definition of a journey?
A journey has a beginning and an end and needs to be specified so that is why the definition is so important
Frankly this is bull-■■■■■■ when you take a vehicle to be loaded the journey has started 
You know as well as I do that when you’re based at a quarry any off-road driving done while loading the vehicle is in-scope and counts towards the daily driving time, you’ve even talked yourself about off-road driving being classed as driving time in this post
I suggest you phone a friend and ask him if you was correct when you said “If the base is a quarry then one journey finishes on entering that quarry/base and another journey starts on exiting that quarry/base ~ Loading between entering and exiting would not form part of any journey”.
You state the journey includes the loading at base - please link to where that is in law?
I know you cannot and nor can I link to the opposite which is why the definition of the word journey is relevant to the whole of this discussion
It’s already been quoted twice in this thread.
I’m off out now for a while, hence the short reply.
This is a fascinating thread. At lest it si for me. Thank you all for your contributions.
Of course, there is the added problem for me in that if I can’t do this in my 9 hours driving time limit. I can only increase it to 10 twice in the week.
I work out of quarrys, and I always find everyone really helpful as iv only been doing it 3 weeks. As said stuff the other driver, you just worry about your own driving hours and keep it legal. I’m still trying to get to grips with the hours but for now I’m just keeping it basic
ROG:
http://www.coachdriverforum.me.uk/welcome/index.php?topic=3128.0
You’ve posted a link to a forum that you can’t view unless you’re a member 
tachograph:
ROG:
http://www.coachdriverforum.me.uk/welcome/index.php?topic=3128.0You’ve posted a link to a forum that you can’t view unless you’re a member
Sorry - did not realise 
Basically they were saying the same as I did in this one - the definition of journey being the important factor
You keep telling us the whole thing depends on the definition of a journey but still don’t back up your argument that the journey starts when you leave base and ends when you re-enter base.
There’s no point just keep saying the same thing without anything to back it up is there.
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
http://www.coachdriverforum.me.uk/welcome/index.php?topic=3128.0You’ve posted a link to a forum that you can’t view unless you’re a member
Sorry - did not realise
Basically they were saying the same as I did in this one - the definition of journey being the important factor
OK I couldn’t resist it so I registered to see the thread, how sad am I
We already know that the definition of a journey is a bit vague, but how does that thread seem to be agreeing with you that the journey starts and ends at the base gate ?
Unless I’m misunderstanding something the poster even says that if you drive into a site and continue driving around the site it’s in-scope, that directly contradicts what you’re saying about the journey starting and ending at the gate 
Let us know if you find any other posts to back up what I’ve said 
I think they gave two examples - one where 2 hours was simply an internal job and nothing to do with a journey on the road and another was where a trip into a safari off road bit was part of the on road journey
Unless I read it wrong?