I passed my LGV C in june last year with only 4 minors ,
Last Friday 11th Jan 2013 , I took my CE test and failed. No dramas as passing wasn’t job dependent but would have been nice to get it out of the way for the long hall of finding a CE job !
I failed on this point :
When I was approaching a busy roundabout(2 lanes,dual carriage way) in the left hand lane I stopped at the zebra crossing which was approx 10/15 meters from the roundabout. I let a few people cross ,waited for a good “blocker” in the shape of a bus and made my way forward ,after all the checks, and entered the roundabout , as the end of my trailer entered the roundabout a car came round.
I failed because “Serious hesitation that led to another road user having to use avoiding action” I always was under the impression,along with my instructor, that you shouldn’t ever block a zebra crossing. My trailer would have blocked the crossing had i stopped at the roundabout, making people dodge around two lanes of traffic to get to the centre of the dual carriageway.
Have any other people experienced similar perplexing “goings on” during tests ?
Maybe you should have checked that the crossing was absolutely clear and no pedestrians in the vicinity. Then pull up to the roundabout. When safe, enter the roundabout - making sure there’s no pedestrians about to run under the trailer!
My understanding from the OP is that you’ve come unstuck because of the length of the run up to the roundabout, which means you are relying on a very big space on the roundabout. So there really is no option but to block the crossing IMO.
Thinking about it, there is a T junction on one of our test routes with a zebra right on it. There is no option but to block the crossing.
Thanks for for some insight Pete.
I can see why but thought it was a little harsh of the examiner I think.
I just noticed who you are Pete, I booked an assessment drive with you on 24th of this month with the view to re doing my CE with you.
You did the right thing by letting the crossing be clear of pedestrians and then moving forward
Your next hazard is the give way line for the roundabout
If that means you have to stop at the give way line then that is what you must do
The fact that the previous hazard is now blocked is not your problem because you have already safely dealt with it
This is the way that many examiners have explained it to me over the years
To consider this in any other way means in effect that the give way line for the roundabout is now way before the official one and that is not the intent of the planners
Peter Smythe:
Maybe you should have checked that the crossing was absolutely clear and no pedestrians in the vicinity. Then pull up to the roundabout. When safe, enter the roundabout - making sure there’s no pedestrians about to run under the trailer!
My understanding from the OP is that you’ve come unstuck because of the length of the run up to the roundabout, which means you are relying on a very big space on the roundabout. So there really is no option but to block the crossing IMO.
Thinking about it, there is a T junction on one of our test routes with a zebra right on it. There is no option but to block the crossing.
Hope this helps, Pete
From a layman I would suggest that the OP may have been guilty of inviting a n other (pedestrian) into a danger zone.
Peter Smythe:
It’s one of those cases where it’s difficult to make in depth comment without actually being there and seeing the whole situation.
But the positioning of some zebras does baffle me!
It’s certainly not the end of the world to end up blocking one as long as it was clear when you did it and there’s no reasonable alternative.
Good luck with the assessment WelshBloke
Pete
Agreed entirely on position of crossings.
I wouldn’t hesitate to block the zebra in the above instance, once I’ve dealt with it. If the pedestrian crossing is behind me (in the unit) what can I do? You have no option but to block the crossing to safely negotiate the roundabout. If a pedestrian needs to cross they must wait until it’s safe to do so…or at least that’s what I was always taught about crossing the road when I was a kid!
