Yesterday afternoon in the yard, a few of us were accosted by the boss for tacho infringements. The analysing software is essentially saying that a 45 minute break only covers you for driving hours. The example given is if you drive for 4 and 1/2 hours then take a 45 break, you must take another break after a further 1 and 1/2 hours drive/work ( a ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā 6 hours) to comply with WTD regs
I admit to being as baffled as the other lads and, give him his due, the boss as well, and unless Iāve missed something, as far as Iām aware a 45 minute break āresets the clockā for both driverās hours and WTD regs
I agree with Drift, breaks are breaks they count for both WTD and Drivers Hours regsā¦unless Iām very much mistaken in which case I may need to do my dCPC all over again.
Iām guessing your boss has not understood the analysis software properly or it has a glitch.
Edit: Also donāt you only need 15 minutes for 6 Hours then another 15 between 6- 9 then another 15 for something else which I also couldnāt give a f-ook about.
Even as a newcomer to all this madness, it astonishes me that so-called āgaffersā haven`t got to grips with the most basic regs of their own industry. What a bloody shambles some of these transport offices really are (my own included).
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Even as a newcomer to all this madness, it astonishes me that so-called āgaffersā haven`t got to grips with the most basic regs of their own industry. What a bloody shambles some of these transport offices really are (my own included).
wait till you work for STOBRATS! the ā ā ā ā ā thrive on this! have you on a charge kangaroo court, hung, drawn and quartered! I KID YOU NOT! and sacked! honestly!
cheekymonkey:
Sweet Baby Jesus and the Orphansā¦a fat lot of good all that DCPC training`s done then eh?
I donāt think you can blame the DCPC for this one,as all the drivers and the boss thought something was wrong. Unless you think the office computer should be attending a DCPC course.
One of the benefits of agency - I donāt get bothered by all this carp
I know the company drivers have their performance ā ā ā ā ysed by a telematics programme and having had a squint of example printouts the system has some obvious flaws. Probably because the geeks that write the software know sod-all about driving (unless its on an x-box), which is fair enough but these things should have been sorted before it went on the market, doesnāt help that some of the transport office staff know even less and think of computer programs as some sort infallible oracle.
Yesterday afternoon in the yard, a few of us were accosted by the boss for tacho infringements. The analysing software is essentially saying that a 45 minute break only covers you for driving hours. The example given is if you drive for 4 and 1/2 hours then take a 45 break, you must take another break after a further 1 and 1/2 hours drive/work ( a ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā 6 hours) to comply with WTD regs
I admit to being as baffled as the other lads and, give him his due, the boss as well, and unless Iāve missed something, as far as Iām aware a 45 minute break āresets the clockā for both driverās hours and WTD regs
Anybody shed any light on this?
Thanks in advance.
Are you sure your boss didnāt misunderstand what the infringements were really for, with all the talk about analysis software and infringements over the past few years Iāve never heard this one before, thereās nothing in the regulations that says RT(WT)R breaks are different to (EC) 561.2006 breaks, as has been said a break is a break and as long as the length of the break is appropriate and at the right time it counts for both sets of regulations.
A 45 minute break will reset your driving time and reset the working time for the six hour rule, it will also cover you for the total ength of break required if youāre working over 9 hours.
I suspect thereās been some misunderstanding and suggest your boss should contact the analysis company and get confirmation of what the infringements are really for
I also have no idea what this has to do with the Driver CPC, no matter what youāve been told on a DCPC course an infringement given by analysis software that appears to contradict what youāve always believed is going to cause some confusion.
chicane:
One of the benefits of agency - I donāt get bothered by all this carp
All the agencies Iāve worked for have told me (and to be fair Iāve never questioned it beforeā¦ ) that the company they farm me out to need to download my d-card as itāll be their records that get scrutinized cos itās their truck and any DVLA inspection will center on my driving hours and what the truck has done. Iām with a company that does downloads every week and recently did a two-week analysis. I had three break infringements , due to lack of planning , so I was invited to kick myself up the 'arris. Rather polite of him, wasnāt it
chicane:
One of the benefits of agency - I donāt get bothered by all this carp
All the agencies Iāve worked for have told me (and to be fair Iāve never questioned it beforeā¦ ) that the company they farm me out to need to download my d-card as itāll be their records that get scrutinized cos itās their truck and any DVLA inspection will center on my driving hours and what the truck has done. Iām with a company that does downloads every week and recently did a two-week analysis. I had three break infringements , due to lack of planning , so I was invited to kick myself up the 'arris. Rather polite of him, wasnāt it
Your agency was right, itās the transport companies legal responsibility to download the data from your driver card regardless of who your employer is, the transport company should be downloading the driver cards of agency workers as well as their own drivers.
Being an agency driver doesnāt really mean you donāt have to bother about infringements, in fact Iād say that as an agency driver itās more important to keep a clean card, for one thing itās easier for the company to get rid of you, and if you go to different companies often the first thing they do will download your card and the number of infringements on your card is likely to make a difference to how they perceive your capabilities.
Maybe I should clarify, my card is downloaded at the end of every shift, the only time I upset the tacho is āoverspeedsā, which given that I never exceed 60mph which is the UK limit for LGVs on Motorways and am on downhills therefore making efficient use off momentum to save fuel, I regard as a load of horlicks. Its the telemetrics crap that would grind my gears and have me handing the keys back if I had to put up with it. I donāt think my figures can be too bad, it would be interesting to see them but not to be beaten over the head with.
As to Tacho and WTD regs, theyāre hardly rocket science are they. I did get caught out piloting a new run last year when I took a 15 then POA for which ran to over 1hr, which looked as if the drivers hours had been reset to zero (which would have given me time to complete the run), but in actual fact resulted in me having to take a 30 later on, which buggered things up a bit. Apart from that little glitch in the software tachos are pretty straight forward.
tachograph:
Being an agency driver doesnāt really mean you donāt have to bother about infringements, in fact Iād say that as an agency driver itās more important to keep a clean card, for one thing itās easier for the company to get rid of you, and if you go to different companies often the first thing they do will download your card and the number of infringements on your card is likely to make a difference to how they perceive your capabilities.
Interesting and thanks , good points. I am keen to keep a clean card, but now Iāve an extra incentive. Iāve only been driving a few months and donāt plan enough. Poor by me really , cos Iām doing the same 3/4 routes all the times, although it can vary a bit. Best thing about Trucknet, IMO, threads like this.
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the ā ā ā ā ā thrive on this! 
kangaroo court, hung, drawn and quartered! 
, due to lack of planning