A and E Deaths

toonsy:
The problem is there’s never any long term plan for improvement. The NHS still uses fax machines ffs! But while the government of the day are quick to point out any increase in spending, its never done with a solid long term plan and every decision is based not on the best long term interest of the country but what is the best decision based on where we are in the election cycle.

Something long term that can be looked at is support for training costs - a bursary if you like - so a nurse or doctor could get “sponsored” through university rather than being saddled with 60k of student debt for a wage. That is a massive barrier to getting newly qualified into the NHS, and doctors.

There something wrong when a ming ■■■■ who carts kitchen worktops around, or tins of coke around or whatever, is able to command wages that are above what a nurse who provides vital care in some of our, or our families, most neediest moments, who have taken years to study to be “newly qualified” versus a week with some old bloke in an old supermarket spec wagon.

In a way it is what it is, market forces and that, but obviously the pandemic taught nobody anything about the value of some workers and some seem quick to turn against the nurses, the railway workers (note NOT train drivers as the media try and paint), the bin men, the ambulance workers, and all those whose absence would actually prevent a service being delivered while all those slimy middle management types, politicians, jobs with no meaning worked from home, or got furloughed, saved a fortune doing so, and now sneer at those they manage.

What a pathetic country we are.

So exactly how does the truck driver or factory worker afford health care for themselves and their family in a system whereby doctors and nurses earn much more for their job ?.Something has to give.
Its clear that our system is based on the worst of all worlds combination of let em die rationing and screwing health care workers to keep wages low for the employer classes.
As opposed to Germany where they reached the correct conclusion that everyone has to earn enough to pay for and to provide decent health care.

Far too much money wasted in the NHS and not enough spent on the frontline,

dle1uk:

Conor:

drover:
Maybe you didn’t hear they are on strike??
Probably because they earn about 50% of the average truck drivers wages?

You need to stop believing the [zb] the unions and the media are feeding you.

The average nurses wage is approximately £35000 (it was £33,384 in 2021 according to the Royal College of Nursing) which is more than 50% of the average truck drivers wage and they only do a 37.5hr week for that.

you need to open your eyes to the real facts,
so when one of your loved ones is in hospital being treated are you ok for that medical staff to stop treating your loved one cos they have reached their 37.5hr limit? then your loved one goes without any treatment whilst the handovers are completed, as required by law, no though not…

my wife is a senior physician in the eastriding, they are seriously understaffed with 1000,s of jobs available. with very little applications coming through other then from overseas… why is this if the pay and the hours are so good?

everyone within my wifes team are doing way over any contracted hours, and not getting paid but their conscious does not allow them to simply walk away from either the patient ot the patients family.

lets be glad you yourself do not work for the nhs

The government should simply scrap all money going abroad for any reason, and use THAT money to give all medical trained NHS staff the 100% pay rise they deserve.

That means no money for Ukraine, no money for Africa, no money for Non-medical employees, and no need for higher taxes on the rest of us neither.

Keir Starmer hasn’t a hope of winning in 2024 unless and until he starts actually SERVING the Labour voters he hopes will put him in power " cos he’s not the Tories"…

As it stands, there’s more chance in 2024 that Labour voters will stay at home with Keir Starmer as “get nothing done” leader, whilst Tory voters will likely switch to Libdems (If Remainers) or Reform Party (If Brexiteers)

Why vote Labour when they don’t do anything even for the NHS?
Why implement these “crisis NHS takeover” thing,when the government has failed to do ANY reforms at the NHS and just chose to throw endless amounts of money in there instead in lieu of actual “Reform” which is what is needed, not more cash…

Reform 1: Make the NHS like the Transport Industry - a 24/7 operation with people choosing to take “across weekend” contracts, “4 on 4 off” contracts, and of course OPEN OVERTIME to get these shifts covered…

Reform 2: Double the pay for the actual medical staff, leave anyone not medically qualified on their current contracts.

Reform 3: Zero hours contracts for all non-medical staff, including and especially ADMIN people. If you don’t turn up, you don’t get paid!

Reform 4: Stop this “DNR” labelling outrage where pensioners who have paid in for decades - get deliberately neglected unless they go private no matter how minor and easy-to-cure the ailment, such as “Hip Replacements”

Reform 5: Stop “Hospital Car Parks” outright. If you’re well enough to drive to a hospital and clutter up the place, then you’re clearly not ill enough to need to BE there! You take public transport to attend an out-patients appointment - or you get taken in by a doubled-up ambulance service.

Reform 6: if NHS is to be “Free at the point of sale” - then take National Insurance Contributions out of ALL income, including “Interest on Savings” and BENEFITS (which would allow NICs to then be REDUCED for the rest of us that pay over £100 a week in, and can’t get an appointment to literally save our lives!)

Reform 7: Nationalize Big Pharma If they pull out of the country, then issue warrants for arrest of all those choosing to directly harm the British Public which there are clauses already written in law to deal with such “Acts of War/Terrorism”…

Reform 8: “Outsourced Contracts” to be issued to UK-based firms ONLY. “Protectionism at it’s best”.

Reform 9: Public Health Care - Cannot ever be “Too expensive”. The Trick is to stop the WASTE. This applies to other industries too, including our own Transport Industry. Reform Needed: Reward Home-Grown effeciencies on saving Waste, and scrap all “Green Subsidies” that currently encourage waste.

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switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
In your case every question is rhetorical

Are you saying that the German public/private hybrid health care system is inferior to ours, or not ■■?.

Why would I have an opinion on the German healthcare system? You and I are rather different, I don’t think every last thing requires my opinion, in fact I’ve not even expressed any opinions on the NHS beyond being critical of the government despite what opinions you and Conor Mr Happy want to foist upon me

Define ‘Critical’.
You’ve clearly stated that you have issues with a private funded/operated healthcare system ?.
As opposed to the NHS following the German model ?.
Obviously all moot if employers refuse to pay for it in the form of incomes and jobs either way.Ironically the NHS being a joke health care rationing scam that’s all about the latter.
Which is why numerous Tory governments haven’t actually demolished it.

Germans don’t seem to live as long as we Brits do, so one wonders if their healthcare, value or not, good or not - is all it is cracked out to be?

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switchlogic:
And you do it yet again, foist opinions on me. Point out where I said this, should be easy since I ‘clearly stated’ it……

Incompetence or privatisation you said it.
As opposed to the status quo since its inception which was always about government control, to ration health care provision, to keep wage levels down and tax revenues up from the start.

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You’re wasting your time Luke. Carryfast lives in a wholly different world to the rest of us. The alternative, crazy dimension inside his head sees him as the font of all knowledge, totally disregarding all and any facts or logic. He thrives on conspiracies and other lunatic ideas. :unamused:

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