I am English and I doubt many of us, or the Scots, Welsh or Irish get caught out by the 90 hours, they will be constrained by the daily rest and weekly rest periods that are also there for your own good. I know there are some trolls around but the ones who pretend, have never had to drive 16 - 20 hours per day every day
Deepinvet - Stick with it, not far off the same earnings and keeping legal, what my problem is with this 90hr a fortnight crap is if I were LEGALLY allowed to do more then I would EARN more… Im more than happy with what I earn just now, its live-able on easily with a small bills each month easily covered but if I were allowed to LEGALLY do more then I would earn more thus making life even more easier, maybe retiring at an earlier age? Maybe being able to over-pay my mortgage more than I do now? Putting more money by for my boy than I already do? I could buy a better car than I already have? Get what im saying yet? Im more than happy with the wage im getting now for the hours I do which are 110% legal but if this 90hr rule was scrapped and you could do your max 56hr driving a week 52 weeks of the year I would be better off than I already am!
Scottish Cruiser… Have you ever met a Dutch driver, you are living in the past and that was always my claim to fame! 
dessy:
90 is OK! A bummer if doing Europe I reckon. But I don’t do Europe!
It can be but if you use the right ferries you can get around/minimize it’s impact 
No.
90 hours driving is enough for anybody.
/thread
i can do 80 hours plus over 6 shifts and more some times dont see it as a problem
Wheel Nut:
I am English and I doubt many of us, or the Scots, Welsh or Irish get caught out by the 90 hours, they will be constrained by the daily rest and weekly rest periods that are also there for your own good. I know there are some trolls around but the ones who pretend, have never had to drive 16 - 20 hours per day every day[/Really?
truckertang:
Wheel Nut:
I am English and I doubt many of us, or the Scots, Welsh or Irish get caught out by the 90 hours, they will be constrained by the daily rest and weekly rest periods that are also there for your own good. I know there are some trolls around but the ones who pretend, have never had to drive 16 - 20 hours per day every day[/Really?
Really Yes
billybigrig:
scottishcruiser:
I bet people who have answered NO are ENGLISH… LAzy bunch of [zb]. It only seems to be the Irish/Scots & Dutch who want to do hard graft, half the tw@ts on this forum want to lie around doing sweet FA and get paid for it, LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD… People say why do 90hrs+… Well why not? Surely the more you do the more you get paid? Not ■■■■■■ rocket science? Because of this 90hrs a fortnight I lose out on money, yet I have a family, mortgage etc same scenario for probably 95% of people on here, and id be willing to do more if the LAWS allowed it… one of the few rules I agree with is the weekend breaks. Nowts better coming home knowing youve hard grafted over the week and come home to the family to spend time with them and chill out… CIInts on here want money for nothing…Steady on fella. The birds up north may be a bit Susan Boyle but down here they’re worth wanting to go home to
billybigrig:
dessy:
90 is OK! A bummer if doing Europe I reckon. But I don’t do Europe!It can be but if you use the right ferries you can get around/minimize it’s impact
No need for change then Billy! 
Fatboy slimslow:
dessy:
90 is OK! A bummer if doing Europe I reckon. But I don’t do Europe!Yes dessy, but going round in circles on that M25, especially on a digi card you lose eighty hours a fortnight anyway!
lazy cockneys
I’ll have you know I’m Irish and there are loads of us in Laandaan! Probably more than Cockneys!
limeyphil:
wildfire:
45 hrs is plenty enough each week thank you very much. i tramp all week and manage to get done what is required within this time, if i aint got time to do it then tell the office it can’t be done simple as, its my licence and i want to keep itwhat do you do on the off chance you reach 90 hours in a fortnight before you get back to the yard?
i keep a good eye on my hours, if i am getting close by thursday i will tell office how many hours i have left for the week, then we will work out what i can do in the hours left, but thats the great thing about working for a small family firm, they know when i tell them what i have left they don’t argue
if i don’t get home just leave the truck at our operating centre in wiltshire and drive a van home, and before anyone says anything i can legally do it as my truck is at our operating centre, if it wasn’t the operating centre then i know that would be illegal 
limeyphil:
wildfire:
45 hrs is plenty enough each week thank you very much. i tramp all week and manage to get done what is required within this time, if i aint got time to do it then tell the office it can’t be done simple as, its my licence and i want to keep itwhat do you do on the off chance you reach 90 hours in a fortnight before you get back to the yard?
Go sick on the thursday!
scottishcruiser:
I bet people who have answered NO are ENGLISH… LAzy bunch of [zb]. It only seems to be the Irish/Scots & Dutch who want to do hard graft, half the tw@ts on this forum want to lie around doing sweet FA and get paid for it, LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD… People say why do 90hrs+… Well why not? Surely the more you do the more you get paid? Not ■■■■■■ rocket science? Because of this 90hrs a fortnight I lose out on money, yet I have a family, mortgage etc same scenario for probably 95% of people on here, and id be willing to do more if the LAWS allowed it… one of the few rules I agree with is the weekend breaks. Nowts better coming home knowing youve hard grafted over the week and come home to the family to spend time with them and chill out… CIInts on here want money for nothing…
Scrapping the 90 hour rule would mean more and more drivers working 84+ hour weeks for <£5ph 'cos the minimum wage would be the very next thing to be “scrapped” - they’re already talking about a lower minimum wage “up north” after all, so you know I’m not just making this up!
It wouldn’t be so bad if the cost of living across the borders were a fraction of here in jolly old England - but it’s not!
If the 90 hour rule were rigidly enforced, then you’d only have part-time and contractor drivers doing the runs that warrent such long trips out. Local & domestic runs would be kept well inside the limits, even out in the back of beyond. 
I wouldn’t mind the occasional tramper run that has me out 60 hours, but that’s 60 hours out for 60 hours paid, not this rubbish where you are out 96+ hours for a max 60 hours pay if you’re lucky… 
Are there ANY agency on here who regularily work a 60 hour week, or do a 4+ day tramp? 
madmanjay:
i can do 80 hours plus over 6 shifts and more some times dont see it as a problem
It is 90 hours driving not work or duty time
4 x 9 plus 2 x 10 = 56 out of an absolute maximum of 7 x 24 = 168 hours
You can’t do multiple 56 hour driving weeks back to back. Thus, a full timer would have to do something different every other week to “comply”.
Since the 90 hour fortnight means an average of 45 hours driving per week, any driver limited by driving hours is going to merely find themselves not being paid for all those wasted hours when one is in a layby, occupied, away from home, but not being paid.
As agency though, you’d be paid by the hour right through, so there’s not a jolly lot of use you’d be on a 90 hour fortnight, but if you did say, 56 hours driving, 40 hours POA in one week, and took the second week off outright, then you’d be within the rules AND get fully paid. Firms hate the idea of paying drivers in laybys, hence very little or maybe zero tramping jobs get given out to agencies, except on a varied contract specifying they don’t get paid POA or something.
It would make more sense of the “90 hour limit” therefore applied to “duty time” rather than “driving time” as it would mean more pay for drivers, less hours, and most importantly - less rear-ending on motorways because one has pulled too many long shifts every fortnight!
i see the 90 hour rule as nothing more than a contradiction of the rules.
the rules say you can do 9+9+9+9+10+10 hours driving per day. 56 hours driving per week.
then they say you can only do 90 hours per fortnight. or 45 hours per week.
Winseer:
Are there ANY agency on here who regularily work a 60 hour week, or do a 4+ day tramp?
Yes. I am sure if I can get a 60h week tramping through agency with <2yr experience, anyone can. You just have to ask the right questions.
scottishcruiser:
Deepinvet - Stick with it, not far off the same earnings and keeping legal, what my problem is with this 90hr a fortnight crap is if I were LEGALLY allowed to do more then I would EARN more… Im more than happy with what I earn just now, its live-able on easily with a small bills each month easily covered but if I were allowed to LEGALLY do more then I would earn more thus making life even more easier, maybe retiring at an earlier age? Maybe being able to over-pay my mortgage more than I do now? Putting more money by for my boy than I already do? I could buy a better car than I already have? Get what im saying yet? Im more than happy with the wage im getting now for the hours I do which are 110% legal but if this 90hr rule was scrapped and you could do your max 56hr driving a week 52 weeks of the year I would be better off than I already am!
You would have loved it @ Martin Oliver’s…
Haltwhistle to Thurrock and back every night… £900 a week in your hand.
You could buy as much red bull and pro-plus as you desire.
90 is fine. Protects ■■■■ like that ^^ happening.
Winseer:
You can’t do multiple 56 hour driving weeks back to back. Thus, a full timer would have to do something different every other week to “comply”.
Since the 90 hour fortnight means an average of 45 hours driving per week, any driver limited by driving hours is going to merely find themselves not being paid for all those wasted hours when one is in a layby, occupied, away from home, but not being paid.As agency though, you’d be paid by the hour right through, so there’s not a jolly lot of use you’d be on a 90 hour fortnight, but if you did say, 56 hours driving, 40 hours POA in one week, and took the second week off outright, then you’d be within the rules AND get fully paid. Firms hate the idea of paying drivers in laybys, hence very little or maybe zero tramping jobs get given out to agencies, except on a varied contract specifying they don’t get paid POA or something.
It would make more sense of the “90 hour limit” therefore applied to “duty time” rather than “driving time” as it would mean more pay for drivers, less hours, and most importantly - less rear-ending on motorways because one has pulled too many long shifts every fortnight!
You have to also remember that the WTD / RTD has an average of 48 hours duty per week, so if you were doing 45 hours driving every week, you would soon be over your limit for the 17 or 26 week period