jakethesnake:
I am not wishing anything, all I am saying is older drivers need to be assesssed correctly and in my opinion all drivers should be regularily assesssed and then we might manage to raise standards and prevent some of these horrific accidents that happen far too often.
I also know a fair bit about the NHS and all it’s failings but that’s another story!
Periodic assessments will achieve the square root of Jack ■■■■.
You would be assessing people who have passed driving tests, so basically they can drive.
They have achieved that status by passing another ‘‘asessment’’ ie a driving test, so all they are going to do is drive to the book on the day, pass, and then continue to drive in their own way afterwards…well or badly.
Among my bad habits are crossing hands, lounging in my seat, driving with one hand, and shock horror, wait for it…drinking coffee
Now I aint harmed any puppies, babies, kittens, nuns or any of bambi’s mates since 1979, …so it kind of refutes any potential accusations from you of being one of your famous ‘‘carnage’’ perpetrators.
But you get my point, if I was on an assessment, I would be driving like an advanced driving instructor on crack getting 10 out of 10 wearing my chamois driving gloves and cardigan, and afterwards rocking my Levis and 501s and shades in full cowboy trucker mode.
Ok the last bit was for effect.
Btw did not know you were an NHS expert as well as an authority on the Police.
jakethesnake:
I am not wishing anything, all I am saying is older drivers need to be assesssed correctly and in my opinion all drivers should be regularily assesssed and then we might manage to raise standards and prevent some of these horrific accidents that happen far too often.
I also know a fair bit about the NHS and all it’s failings but that’s another story!
Periodic assessments will achieve the square root of Jack [zb].
You would be assessing people who have passed driving tests, so basically they can drive.
They have achieved that status by passing another ‘‘asessment’’ ie a driving test, so all they are going to do is drive to the book on the day, pass, and then continue to drive in their own way afterwards…well or badly.
Among my bad habits are crossing hands, lounging in my seat, driving with one hand, and shock horror, wait for it…drinking coffee
Now I aint harmed any puppies, babies, kittens, nuns or any of bambi’s mates since 1979, …so it kind of refutes any potential accusations from you of being one of your famous ‘‘carnage’’ perpetrators.
But you get my point, if I was on an assessment, I would be driving like an advanced driving instructor on crack getting 10 out of 10 wearing my chamois driving gloves and cardigan, and afterwards rocking my Levis and 501s and shades in full cowboy trucker mode.
A driving assessment means sod all like you say we all develop faults over time, as long as he is reasonably healthy I don’t see a problem with driving although his reflexes must slow down a bit but I guess experience should counteract that and maybe he doesn’t drive on the limiter and now leaves a two ■■■ paper gap to the car in front rather than one
Juddian:
It’s a decision i shall be making in the not too distant future.
No i wouldn’t want to stuck on general or be watched and monitored by layers of pointless pointy shoes, but i wouldn’t want to do that in me mind twenties either.
As it is i have a lovely job, no its not an adventure as such because i do me shift and go home at the end of it, not monitored but left to get on with me job, paid well and respect where i work is generally a two way street, so yes i’m one of those who actually enjoys going to work.
No i won’t be working till 83, even if i last that long, but may well carry on for a few years, deferring the pension for a while (no point in paying tax on every penny on earn on the job), assuming manage to pass me medicals and aint falling apart at the seams.
If i lost me job for some reason, doubt very much i’d carry on after retirement age, the mere thought of having to go into some soul-less RDC internment camp on a daily basis gives me the willies.
Same here. Like you I’m lucky to have a job which I thoroughly enjoy doing; of course it has its off days but my take on it is that I get paid to drive round the countryside, meet interesting people and get a few perks as well. Last week I took three pallets of feed to a regular customer, and because I helped him stack them in the shed (Moffett won’t go in) I came away with five bags of seasoned hardwood for me log burner, plus some very interesting gossip about one of his neighbours!
I deliver to a few farmers around his age, and I’ve asked them why they don’t retire. To a man, they always say the same thing; because they love what they do, and they’d be bored doing nothing. I’m not talking rich landowners either, these are hill farmers or small dairymen whose daily routine would knacker a bloke half their age.
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id suspect the truthful answer is because they are generally a shower of inbred myopic miserable tightassed cretins that cant see a penny passing them.
has anyone ever lay on a sunbed abroad next to a farmer? im away several times a year and ive yet to meet one.
dieseldog999:
id suspect the truthful answer is because they are generally a shower of inbred myopic miserable tightassed cretins that cant see a penny passing them.
has anyone ever lay on a sunbed abroad next to a farmer? im away several times a year and ive yet to meet one.
Well they’re probably out working whilst you’re idling about on yer fat arse.
A driving assessment means sod all like you say we all develop faults over time.
Quite correct, drivers develop faults over time not because they want to but because they forget, just look at any HC test from the average driver.(very poor)
They can become complacent with certain aspects of driving which can sometimes lead to putting themselves and others in danger without even realising they are doing it.
Driving tests are very basic and most think once they pass their test they can drive. Just look at how many drivers do not position themselves correctly,(cars and lorries) how many do not signal correctly,
How many do not know how to join and leave a motorway or DC. or how many take no notice of traffic signs and road markings or cut in far too early after overtaking. These are all faults that can usually be rectified by driving assessments.
A company I worked for not so long ago had a policy where drivers were taken out once a year and assessed by a fully qualified assessor.(A real nice guy who new his stuff) It was not a driving test and the candidates including myself were told to drive as they normally drove. It was usually an all day thing. What amazed me was the number of drivers who said they benefited from this and felt their driving had improved and how they had not realised their faults. Of course we got the odd one who moaned and groaned but you will always get that because people in general do not like being assessed but it definitely helps road safety for sure.
jakethesnake:
A company I worked for not so long ago had a policy where drivers were taken out once a year and assessed by a fully qualified assessor.(A real nice guy who new his stuff) .
Ok, we all get it … what you really mean is that it was actually YOU.
Surprise surprise
jakethesnake:
A company I worked for not so long ago had a policy where drivers were taken out once a year and assessed by a fully qualified assessor.(A real nice guy who new his stuff) .
Ok, we all get it … what you really mean is that it was actually YOU.
Surprise surprise
Now I know we don’t always see eye to eye but this time I have to give you 10 out of 10 for imagination. Where did that come from.
My driver assessor was fun…
His idea of a vehicle check was to exaggerate every check.
Where I would just kick a tyre he would groupe the fudging thing literally on his knees hugging the thing.
Needless to say we didn’t get on.
jakethesnake:
A company I worked for not so long ago had a policy where drivers were taken out once a year and assessed by a fully qualified assessor.(A real nice guy who new his stuff) .
Ok, we all get it … what you really mean is that it was actually YOU.
Surprise surprise
Now I know we don’t always see eye to eye but this time I have to give you 10 out of 10 for imagination. Where did that come from.
A logical assumption…(as Mr Spock used to say )
A guy who is always pontificating on here to all of us (in your opinion) …‘‘bad drivers’’
A guy who is always blowing his own trumpet.
A guy who gives the impression he thinks a lot of himself.
A guy who always thinks he is right…and ‘‘knows his stuff’’.
A guy who champions ‘‘fully qualified’’ organisations.(eg The Police)
All the clues are there mate.
So no need to call in Columbo …is there.
Most of the driving assessors I have come across were failed drivers or in the case of one who could not do nights away because his wife was ill and needed 24 hour care, she had carers whilst he was at working. Two driving assessors only held the old class 3 and we ran artics! [emoji15]
Wheel Nut:
Most of the driving assessors I have come across were failed drivers or in the case of one who could not do nights away because his wife was ill and needed 24 hour care, she had carers whilst he was at working. Two driving assessors only held the old class 3 and we ran artics! [emoji15]
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There is probably a very good reason for that. They have not been trained in anyway to assess drivers. There are too many companies take there favourite driver and appoint him as an assessor but fail to realise he or she is just a driver and has no ability to do the job required. Someone who has not been trained correctly will probably pass on his or her own driving faults thinking they are right because they have been doing it for 20 years. The best assessors are drivers with plenty driving experience and the ones who hold the correct qualifications to instruct and assess to the proper standard.Not every driver has the ability to instruct and assess for sure.
Wheel Nut:
Most of the driving assessors I have come across were failed drivers or in the case of one who could not do nights away because his wife was ill and needed 24 hour care, she had carers whilst he was at working. Two driving assessors only held the old class 3 and we ran artics! [emoji15]
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There is probably a very good reason for that. They have not been trained in anyway to assess drivers. There are too many companies take there favourite driver and appoint him as an assessor but fail to realise he or she is just a driver and has no ability to do the job required. Someone who has not been trained correctly will probably pass on his or her own driving faults thinking they are right because they have been doing it for 20 years. The best assessors are drivers with plenty driving experience and the ones who hold the correct qualifications to instruct and assess to the proper standard.Not every driver has the ability to instruct and assess for sure.
Jeez h…You’re actually making me paranoid , I’m sure you just write all this crap just to press my buttons …problem is you are succeeding.
So…
Why tf could you or me, or any other decent experienced driver not be a good driving assessor exactly??
I have already said in my previous post that I am fully aware of my own bad habits, so in that situation I would adjust them accordinglly.
I also know how to get the best out of a manual and auto truck in terms of performance and economy, and well capable of passing it on to others… nothing clever about that, it’s just that I’ve been driving the ■■■■ things since 1979.
So why do I need to get some Mickey Mouse qualification from some kid with a couple of years under his belt to get an assessor’s job?
About 20 years ago I went for an assessment for an instructors job, passed a mock driving test and got into the last 3 candidates, so I (as well as anybody else) can turn it on when I need to.
So an epic fail again, and shot down in flames Jakey me old mate.
Wheel Nut:
Most of the driving assessors I have come across were failed drivers or in the case of one who could not do nights away because his wife was ill and needed 24 hour care, she had carers whilst he was at working. Two driving assessors only held the old class 3 and we ran artics! [emoji15]
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There is probably a very good reason for that. They have not been trained in anyway to assess drivers. There are too many companies take there favourite driver and appoint him as an assessor but fail to realise he or she is just a driver and has no ability to do the job required. Someone who has not been trained correctly will probably pass on his or her own driving faults thinking they are right because they have been doing it for 20 years. The best assessors are drivers with plenty driving experience and the ones who hold the correct qualifications to instruct and assess to the proper standard.Not every driver has the ability to instruct and assess for sure.
Jeez h…You’re actually making me paranoid , I’m sure you just write all this crap just to press my buttons …problem is you are succeeding.
So…
Why tf could you or me, or any other decent experienced driver not be a good driving assessor exactly??
I have already said in my previous post that I am fully aware of my own bad habits, so in that situation I would adjust them accordinglly.
I also know how to get the best out of a manual and auto truck in terms of performance and economy, and well capable of passing it on to others… nothing clever about that, it’s just that I’ve been driving the [zb] things since 1979.
So why do I need to get some Mickey Mouse qualification from some kid with a couple of years under his belt to get an assessor’s job?
About 20 years ago I went for an assessment for an instructors job, passed a mock driving test and got into the last 3 candidates, so I (as well as anybody else) can turn it on when I need to.
So an epic fail again, and shot down in flames Jakey me old mate.
Well, I do not mean to make you paranoid nor am I trying to press your buttons. I am just saying what I know after many years in transport.
You may make a really good instructor/assessor BUT not without the correct training. I am fairly confident from your vast experience you are a competent, safe driver but after all these years driving even although you passed an assessment for an instructors job does not make you suddenly able to instruct and assess naturally. Why do you think car instructors have to pass an ADI exam before they can teach? Why do you think school teachers spend 4 or so years training before they teach kids? On these courses you are taught the correct way to put things over and to be very careful not to confuse. You need to learn to be patient ( not something everyone can adapt to ) and you need to know the rules of the road like the back of your hand. You need to learn when to react and when not to, obviously different when intructing than assessing.All of the things come with practice. I am also sure if you went out on an assessment with a fully qualified instructor/ assessor there are points you could be shown to improve your driving, probably no where near as many as some of the idiots we see these days. I am not talking about driving as you do on a test either. I am talking about little things that may just help to make you an even better driver. Try it , you might even like it!
Now you have got me wound up because I promised myself once I got back to Dutchland I would stop posting and here I am still at it and probably still winding you up!
Wheel Nut:
Most of the driving assessors I have come across were failed drivers or in the case of one who could not do nights away because his wife was ill and needed 24 hour care, she had carers whilst he was at working. Two driving assessors only held the old class 3 and we ran artics! [emoji15]
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There is probably a very good reason for that. They have not been trained in anyway to assess drivers. There are too many companies take there favourite driver and appoint him as an assessor but fail to realise he or she is just a driver and has no ability to do the job required. Someone who has not been trained correctly will probably pass on his or her own driving faults thinking they are right because they have been doing it for 20 years. The best assessors are drivers with plenty driving experience and the ones who hold the correct qualifications to instruct and assess to the proper standard.Not every driver has the ability to instruct and assess for sure.
Jeez h…You’re actually making me paranoid , I’m sure you just write all this crap just to press my buttons …problem is you are succeeding.
So…
Why tf could you or me, or any other decent experienced driver not be a good driving assessor exactly??
I have already said in my previous post that I am fully aware of my own bad habits, so in that situation I would adjust them accordinglly.
I also know how to get the best out of a manual and auto truck in terms of performance and economy, and well capable of passing it on to others… nothing clever about that, it’s just that I’ve been driving the [zb] things since 1979.
So why do I need to get some Mickey Mouse qualification from some kid with a couple of years under his belt to get an assessor’s job?
About 20 years ago I went for an assessment for an instructors job, passed a mock driving test and got into the last 3 candidates, so I (as well as anybody else) can turn it on when I need to.
So an epic fail again, and shot down in flames Jakey me old mate.
Well, I do not mean to make you paranoid nor am I trying to press your buttons. I am just saying what I know after many years in transport.
You may make a really good instructor/assessor BUT not without the correct training. I am fairly confident from your vast experience you are a competent, safe driver but after all these years driving even although you passed an assessment for an instructors job does not make you suddenly able to instruct and assess naturally. Why do you think car instructors have to pass an ADI exam before they can teach? Why do you think school teachers spend 4 or so years training before they teach kids? On these courses you are taught the correct way to put things over and to be very careful not to confuse. You need to learn to be patient ( not something everyone can adapt to ) and you need to know the rules of the road like the back of your hand. You need to learn when to react and when not to, obviously different when intructing than assessing.All of the things come with practice. I am also sure if you went out on an assessment with a fully qualified instructor/ assessor there are points you could be shown to improve your driving, probably no where near as many as some of the idiots we see these days. I am not talking about driving as you do on a test either. I am talking about little things that may just help to make you an even better driver. Try it , you might even like it!
Now you have got me wound up because I promised myself once I got back to Dutchland I would stop posting and here I am still at it and probably still winding you up!
Ok, another thing we will have to agree to differ on.
I’ve read your post, but still think that most decent drivers could achieve the standard to assess without a training course, but more a ‘‘brush up’’ for a couple of hours or so to help them adapt off those bad habits.
Can not see how the comparison or relavance of a 4 year course to teach kids applies to this either if I’m honest, …but enjoy your time in NL and say hello to my in laws.
robroy:
I am fully aware of my own bad habits, so in that situation I would adjust them accordinglly.
What are they? And how would you adjust them?
Tell you what mate, you tell me yours and I’ll tell you mine.
(Despite the fact that if you’d kept up, you’d see I’ve covered most of them on a previous post on this thread. )
I was only asking you a straight forward question. Something I’d like to be able to do with an assessor, and a question a competent assessor would answer candidly.
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