Thanks also for the picture
I didnt realise all the information was there.
I have always seen them on the passenger door but only used them to glance at the reg. for the analogue taco.
I now check the width of the vehicle now.
Youll be amazed at how big some wagons seem (width ways)
But are exactly the same size as the others i have driven.
I am a little wiser now.
Thanks for the tips.
Starting a new job next week this time permanent nights.
so will probably need more advice 
I thought it was all upto Euro 3 7.5tonners had to be speed limited by Jan 2007.
Then the rest to be limited by Jan 2008.
TBH very rarely see any 7.5 tonners limited no matter what age, think its generally being ignored at the moment, sure after Jan 2008 be a huge clamp down.
More BS my mate was working for a small company made sandwichs, used to do down south every night in a 7.5tonner, now job canât be done in hours so been swaped over to a couple of transit vans until the company can relocated. Meaning a few people outta a job.
Kenny1975:
I thought it was all upto Euro 3 7.5tonners had to be speed limited by Jan 2007.Then the rest to be limited by Jan 2008.
TBH very rarely see any 7.5 tonners limited no matter what age, think its generally being ignored at the moment, sure after Jan 2008 be a huge clamp down.
More BS my mate was working for a small company made sandwichs, used to do down south every night in a 7.5tonner, now job canât be done in hours so been swaped over to a couple of transit vans until the company can relocated. Meaning a few people outta a job.
I can see the 7.5 tonner being virtually made redundant in the future with, as posted above, companies using vans where poss or using class C lorries.
The test for a 7.5 is the same and usually costs the same as for a class C so who would want to take the C1 (7.5 tonner) test when C covers it for the same money 
ROG:
Kenny1975:
I thought it was all upto Euro 3 7.5tonners had to be speed limited by Jan 2007.Then the rest to be limited by Jan 2008.
TBH very rarely see any 7.5 tonners limited no matter what age, think its generally being ignored at the moment, sure after Jan 2008 be a huge clamp down.
More BS my mate was working for a small company made sandwichs, used to do down south every night in a 7.5tonner, now job canât be done in hours so been swaped over to a couple of transit vans until the company can relocated. Meaning a few people outta a job.
I can see the 7.5 tonner being virtually made redundant in the future with, as posted above, companies using vans where poss or using class C lorries.
The test for a 7.5 is the same and usually costs the same as for a class C so who would want to take the C1 (7.5 tonner) test when C covers it for the same money
Maybe be kept for city deliveries but on the motorway doing distance i donât see many 7.5tonners being used. Be replaced by convoys of transit vans or more class 2âs.
Parcel companies espec used fleets of 7.5 tonners to get stuff across the country, maybe we will see the end of the jet engined Royal Mail 7.5tonner.
Supposedly the government faught tooth and nail not to get speed limiters introduced for vehicles 3.5-7.5 tons, thats why its been rolled out. But Euro out voted them.
I think with different standards of roads all over Europe, better rail freight, some questionable HGV driving tests in some places, why should Europe dictate the top speed for vehicles all over Europe. It should be down to individual governments, well for trucks which dont leave UK shores anyways.
Maybe someone can tell me if this is true or not, someone said with HGV speed limiters a lot of class 2 12tonners had their axels changed to get their vehicles re-classed as 7.5 tonners. Ive driven a few older 7.5 tonner which were pretty large, class 2 sized.
ROG:
Kenny1975:
I thought it was all upto Euro 3 7.5tonners had to be speed limited by Jan 2007.Then the rest to be limited by Jan 2008.
TBH very rarely see any 7.5 tonners limited no matter what age, think its generally being ignored at the moment, sure after Jan 2008 be a huge clamp down.
More BS my mate was working for a small company made sandwichs, used to do down south every night in a 7.5tonner, now job canât be done in hours so been swaped over to a couple of transit vans until the company can relocated. Meaning a few people outta a job.
I can see the 7.5 tonner being virtually made redundant in the future with, as posted above, companies using vans where poss or using class C lorries.
The test for a 7.5 is the same and usually costs the same as for a class C so who would want to take the C1 (7.5 tonner) test when C covers it for the same money
I thought that this would have happened by now! But of course there are plenty licences issued before 1997 out there.
The main advantage of them back then was that everyone on a car licence was allowed to drive them. This meant that companies were able to use them without the hassle of having to hire HGV drivers.
The main point then became the fact that they didnât have to be fitted with speed limiters. This has now been eroded. In fact I have seen a 4 tonne Mercedes Sprinter with the following notice on the back of it - âThis vehicle is limited to 56 mphâ.
Perhaps we should review the C1 and C1+E tests - just what is the point of them as they stand? It is perfectly valid to use the above mentioned Sprinter for the C1 test. Punter has just paid for training and test - say somewhere in the region of ÂŁ700. Passes his test - with no air brake experience yet he can take the wheel of something like a fully loaded Mercedes Atego. C1+E is even worse - you can just hitch a horsebox plated for 2 tonnes onto the back of a glorified Transit. I speak as one who acquired rights to drive these (C1+E restricted to train weight of 8.25t) and can go straight for unrestricted C1+E (no medical, no provisional, no training, no nothing) - but would not waste my time and money on it. Might as well just go back to issuing them with car licences!
Here is where it gets really barmy though. Job comes up - working for a company that has a couple of artics, a few 7.5 tonners and Transit type vans. Also have drags for the 7.5 tonners. Boss expects you to drive these occasionally. If you were an employer, who would you much rather hire out of the following 2 candidates - an experienced Class 2 driver (say 5 years) who has driven fully laden 32t tippers or some kid who has just passed one of these âvan and boxâ tests? Fact is, as things stand, the young lad is of more use to you - he can drive the 7.5 tonner plus drag (up to 12 tonnes) whilst the experienced LGV driver canât by law drive them. Something seriously wrong here.
Perhaps for the purpose of licensing it would be for the best to do away with Class C1 altogether. Perfect opportunity ahead for this. Stop tests on them and let existing entitlement die out. Driver CPC will see most of the pre 1997 C1 (and D1) licences expire of their own accord. Just include C1 as C and C1+E as C+E. This would help us get rid of the crazy situations mentioned above.
Kenny1975:
ROG:
Kenny1975:
I thought it was all upto Euro 3 7.5tonners had to be speed limited by Jan 2007.Then the rest to be limited by Jan 2008.
TBH very rarely see any 7.5 tonners limited no matter what age, think its generally being ignored at the moment, sure after Jan 2008 be a huge clamp down.
More BS my mate was working for a small company made sandwichs, used to do down south every night in a 7.5tonner, now job canât be done in hours so been swaped over to a couple of transit vans until the company can relocated. Meaning a few people outta a job.
I can see the 7.5 tonner being virtually made redundant in the future with, as posted above, companies using vans where poss or using class C lorries.
The test for a 7.5 is the same and usually costs the same as for a class C so who would want to take the C1 (7.5 tonner) test when C covers it for the same moneyMaybe be kept for city deliveries but on the motorway doing distance i donât see many 7.5tonners being used. Be replaced by convoys of transit vans or more class 2âs.
Parcel companies espec used fleets of 7.5 tonners to get stuff across the country, maybe we will see the end of the jet engined Royal Mail 7.5tonner.
Supposedly the government faught tooth and nail not to get speed limiters introduced for vehicles 3.5-7.5 tons, thats why its been rolled out. But Euro out voted them.
I think with different standards of roads all over Europe, better rail freight, some questionable HGV driving tests in some places, why should Europe dictate the top speed for vehicles all over Europe. It should be down to individual governments, well for trucks which dont leave UK shores anyways.
Maybe someone can tell me if this is true or not, someone said with HGV speed limiters a lot of class 2 12tonners had their axels changed to get their vehicles re-classed as 7.5 tonners. Ive driven a few older 7.5 tonner which were pretty large, class 2 sized.
Excellent post! 
Couldnât agree more on the use of 7.5 tonners on the motorways - what would the point of that be if theyâre just as limited as a 26t Class 2 or Class 1?
Perhaps the night trunkers will have to beware of more jet engined Royal Mail Transits!
Give our Governments their dues over the years on our licensing laws - the Tories did try everything in their powers to keep all our entitlements like still giving out C1, D1, allowing Class 2 and old Class 3 drivers to still pull drags, letting you go for your Class 1 without passing Class 2 etc and in recent times Labour have tried to keep what little we are left with. But all these efforts fell on deaf ears in Brussels.
Of course with the different roads in Europe, countries should be allowed to make their own rules within their own borders. In Britain, this would mean that vehicles not intended for use on the Continent wouldnât have to be speed limited. As for licences, everyone in Britain should be able to drive B+E, C1, D1 etc. Drivers here should be able to go for Class 1 straight away - if they need to drive in Europe, they could pass their Class 2 at a later date. I understand that the last one would be unfair on the drivers that had to go through the two tests from 1997 onwards though. Have heard horror stories about tests in some parts of Europe - you can get your Class 1 in Poland by passing a test in a farm tractor and tatttie trailer if the rumours are to be believed!
A good few 7.5 tonners are a fair size as built - seen those Argos wagons? Theyâre absolute monsters!
Sorry WildGoose, but the way you put it means the new ones are not limited but the older ones are - or have I read your post wrong?
No you read correctly, its an anomoly caused by the introduction of the amended regulations. Of course new vehicles from 56 I think, were fitted with limiters as standard. So new ones are all limted.
Older trucks have to be retrofitted with the speed limiters, for example, we have lots of 04 7.5t they all have speed limiters fitted. I dont know the score for older vehicles, say pre 2001, reading the above links suggests they arent fussed about these. I suppose because its rare for companies that come under the rules to use such old trucks. The exemption for 55, and 06 plates until Jan '08 gives operators a little bit of grace for fitting the limiters. For what precise reason I donât know, but this is definately the case.
Our newest 7.5t truck is a '55 and it can indeed be pushed up to the obscene speed of 70mph +. 
Kenny1975:
Maybe someone can tell me if this is true or not, someone said with HGV speed limiters a lot of class 2 12tonners had their axels changed to get their vehicles re-classed as 7.5 tonners. Ive driven a few older 7.5 tonner which were pretty large, class 2 sized.
you can downplate easily , but it makes it much easier to overload as the chassis weighs too much !
It wouldnât affect speed limiters though as the regulations are based on design weight - I know as I had to fit a limiter to a downplated 13 tonner ( downplated to 12t for VED reasons) The person I bought it from had removed it after badly reading the regs!!!
there are some different rules on speed limiters for vehicles under 12t , registered at certain dates ( which I canât remember atm!)
ROG:
Zetorpilot:
@ ROG: My 8.1 tonner has 6 wheelnuts8.1 tonnes is an odd size though isnât it - as it puts the vehicle in C category but without enough of a GVW difference to give any significant advantage over a 7.5 tonner.
I did say that counting the wheel nuts was not a sientific method and only a guide and as you have pointed out, there are those that do not follow this method of checking. Thanks Zetorpilot - by the way, why did they uprate it to 8.1 tonnes? - any idea.
ROG: Both the ownersâ manual and registration document only mention 8100kg as the vehicleâs GVW, there is nothing to suggest that it was ever âupratedâ to this figure.
It is the sort of size of vehicle that I would have assumed to be a 7.5 tonner though, albeit a fairly beefy one.
Were Iveco Zetaâs availabe in the UK then, plated at 7.5 tonnes?
ROG: Both the ownersâ manual and registration document only mention 8100kg as the vehicleâs GVW, there is nothing to suggest that it was ever âupratedâ to this figure.
Possibly a âmade to orderâ for a specific job model 
ROG:
ROG: Both the ownersâ manual and registration document only mention 8100kg as the vehicleâs GVW, there is nothing to suggest that it was ever âupratedâ to this figure.
Possibly a âmade to orderâ for a specific job model
Donât think so - I saw a similar one advertised for sale here a while back and that was 8100Kg too.
Edited to add - and hereâs another one:
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Zetorpilot.
I think i drove that wagon for the
most loved âBrakesâ (Frozen and chilled multidrop 5am starts) in rochdale.
At lest its tyres look better
Iâm sure Iveco do an 8 tonne Eurocargo now as well.
DFS use them.
I used to have C1+E (unrestricted up to 12t) until I did my C at which point my licence got downgraded to C1+E (8.25t)
Employers would rather put someone through a C1 test than a C test as they are incresing there chances of keeping them on their 7.5 tonners.
Personally I think itâs no bad thing to do away with the automatic C1 entitlement. As mentioned previously they can be quite unwieldy and are often driven badly.
8wheels:
I used to have C1+E (unrestricted up to 12t) until I did my C at which point my licence got downgraded to C1+E (8.25t)Employers would rather put someone through a C1 test than a C test as they are incresing there chances of keeping them on their 7.5 tonners.
Personally I think itâs no bad thing to do away with the automatic C1 entitlement. As mentioned previously they can be quite unwieldy and are often driven badly.
How did your C1+E licence get downgraded? IMO if you had the entitlement you should be allowed to retain it - especially as youâve passed a proper LGV test!
âEmployers would rather put someone through a C1 test than a C testâ - for a company that has a large fleet of 7.5 tonners, this would make sense - but my issue here is about the actual C1 test itself. You can sit this in a Transit type van fitted with a tachograph and plated for 4 tonnes - is there really much difference between this and driving a car? 7.5 tonners are equipped with air brakes after and all.
They stopped issuing C1 entitlement automatically on car test passes from 1997 onwards - this is why the test was brought in. The DSA have made a point of stating that vehicles presented for driving tests must be ârepresentative of the classâ that relate to real world driving. This is why for instance tractor units are not allowed for C tests. But here we have a test seemingly designed for a licence already held by the test candidate - you can drive a similar 3.5t Transit on a car licence!
As I said earlier - Driver CPC ought to provide the perfect excuse for the powers that be to remove C1 (and D1) licences gained by âGrandfather Rightsâ should the holders not register their intention to continue driving them beyond say 2010. This should remove much of the dangerously driven 7.5 tonners from our roads.
They can then do the following - either gradually let C1 die and have all LGV tests carried out at C and C+E standard or insist that C1 tests are carried out in 7.5 tonners - which are representative of the class being tested.
I speak as one who doesnât need a C1 test and have limited experience driving them and reckon I would have little hope of passing one in a 7.5 tonner without a course. But Iâd have no problem passing in a van type vehicle.
We recently got 3 Daf 7.5t they have either a 6ft or 7ft overhang at the rear.
Not the easiest things to drive,thereâs been a few bumps with them already.
The tail comes round really quick like a bus.
How did your C1+E licence get downgraded? IMO if you had the entitlement you should be allowed to retain it - especially as youâve passed a proper LGV test!
Not sure it sort of slipped by, it might have happened when I changed from paper to card, but I defo had it once thatâs for sure. DVLA have a nasty habit of losing things, itâs worth copying a licence before sending it there and double checking it on itâs return. Iâve got no proof I ever had it now so unless I do C+E or C1+E Iâll never get it back (not that I especially want it)
I agree that the test vehicle issue is a farce, itâs something that is still an issue with C tests on 10 & 12 tonner DAF & Ivecoâs basically a 7.5 tonner itself. Itâs better IMO to get used to driving a full size when you have an instructor alongside, one less thing to worry about when you are on your own.
We recently got 3 Daf 7.5t they have either a 6ft or 7ft overhang at the rear.
Donât most of them?
8wheels:
How did your C1+E licence get downgraded? IMO if you had the entitlement you should be allowed to retain it - especially as youâve passed a proper LGV test!
Not sure it sort of slipped by, it might have happened when I changed from paper to card, but I defo had it once thatâs for sure. DVLA have a nasty habit of losing things, itâs worth copying a licence before sending it there and double checking it on itâs return. Iâve got no proof I ever had it now so unless I do C+E or C1+E Iâll never get it back (not that I especially want it)
I agree that the test vehicle issue is a farce, itâs something that is still an issue with C tests on 10 & 12 tonner DAF & Ivecoâs basically a 7.5 tonner itself. Itâs better IMO to get used to driving a full size when you have an instructor alongside, one less thing to worry about when you are on your own.
We recently got 3 Daf 7.5t they have either a 6ft or 7ft overhang at the rear.
Donât most of them?
Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing! Have heard of drivers having LGV and PCV entitlement wiped off their licences. Apparently, the DVLA donât hang on to test pass information beyond 2 years. Shocking!
Doubt that a 10 or 12 tonner will enable you to pass a Class C test nowadays - vehicles now require 8 forward gears and I doubt that boxes like these would be found anything less than a 16 tonner.
8wheels:
I used to have C1+E (unrestricted up to 12t) until I did my C at which point my licence got downgraded to C1+E (8.25t)Employers would rather put someone through a C1 test than a C test as they are incresing there chances of keeping them on their 7.5 tonners.
Personally I think itâs no bad thing to do away with the automatic C1 entitlement. As mentioned previously they can be quite unwieldy and are often driven badly.
Same happened to me when I took my C+E (this was in '92 so didnât have to take a C first) Not quite sure how the logic for that works out!
SuperLez:
They stopped issuing C1 entitlement automatically on car test passes from 1997 onwards - this is why the test was brought in. The DSA have made a point of stating that vehicles presented for driving tests must be ârepresentative of the classâ that relate to real world driving. This is why for instance tractor units are not allowed for C tests. But here we have a test seemingly designed for a licence already held by the test candidate - you can drive a similar 3.5t Transit on a car licence!
Of course, you can pass a car test in a Corsa and then step directly into a fully-loaded 3.5t LWB Sprinter, which is probably just as bad.
As for why companies will keep 7.5t vehicles - previously it would have been the car license advantage (although that is diminishing), then it would have been the lack of speed limiters (again, diminishing), but now Iâd suggest that itâs the lower tax and insurance costs, plus the ability to go through 7.5t weight limits.