Maybe i’m missing someting here, but if the 60hrs maximum is working time, does that mean that is 60hrs not including POA’s, or is it including the POA’s for that week. Therefore giving you the possiblity to work say 70hrs during a particular week, if you had 10hrs POA. Although this would soon eat in to your available working time, but still possible. 
I think you’ve missed something mate. The maximum number of hours you can work in a week, averaged out over a 17 or 26 week period, is 48 hours.
I think we have been saying 60 hours because that is a nice easy number to quote, for the number of hours we are normally at work (or on duty), in a week.
Under the WTD, working time includes only the time when you are actualy working, ie driving or doing other work, like opening your curtains, fueling up, doing your paper work etc.
Not included in this working time (so not counted towards your 48 limit) are breaks and Periods Of Availability. A P.O.A. is when you know you will be waiting for a certain length of time.
For eg, you pull up at an RDC you haven’t been to before. You book in. You are told, " there is a 2 hour wait driver". You then have 2 hours on POA.
If you should get called forward early, say after 1hr30, you have only had 1:30 on POA, which is where the ‘availability’ comes in.
Whilst you where waiting you noted that they took 1 hour to tip each load. Once on the bay you start on another POA, when you settle back in your cab, of 1 hour. If it takes longer for some reason, the extra isn’t POA because you didn’t know( 
), unless they tell you beforehand.
Another eg. You pull up at an RDC where you know everyone by their first names ( you have been so often). You see there are 4 wagons waiting to tip so you know how long you will have to wait. That waiting time is POA. You know how long they take to tip you, so that is also POA. Then you realise that they will stop for lunch soon, while tipping you, that extra waiting time is also POA, because you knew.
All of this time on POA is not counted as working time under the WTD. You can therefore see that, if you did exactly 48 hours work in a week, it is perfectly possible and perfectly legal to do a 60 hour week. All you need is for 12 hours of that 60 to be spent on break or POA.
Time driving, your tacho automatically records as driving time.
Time on other work is recorded by using the crossed hammer symbol.
Time on POA is recorded on your tacho by using the box symbol.
Time on rest or break is still recorded using the bed symbol.
It was due to start on 23/3, but due to something or other it has been put back to 4/4. (There are posts on it somewhere, you’ll have no problem finding them (:lol:).)
If you spent your POA in bed asleep, I personally can’t see any real reason why it couldn’t be recorded using the bed symbol.
Simon:
I think you’ve missed something mate. The maximum number of hours you can work in a week, averaged out over a 17 or 26 week period, is 48 hours.
I think we have been saying 60 hours because that is a nice easy number to quote, for the number of hours we are normally at work (or on duty), in a week.
There is a 60 hour maximum in the WTD, but this is only working time as defined under the WTD and does does not included rest or POA. Obviously if you work 60 hours one week then you have to find 12 hours over the reference period to bring your average back to 48.
If its that complex i think i had better buy a laptop to work it all out. I could never remember all that and add it up and work and drive!!!. 
ive been checking my tachos over the last few weeks
we do an awful lot of rdc work… awful being the key word
last week i did 38.20 actual working time ie driving/opening the curtains/rear doors etc.
i BOOKED 72 on my time sheet.
the rest was spent on the bunk/reading/watching tv etc
the wtd in its present form wont affect my wage or earning potential.
What is this WTD everyone is on about■■?
TheBear:
What is this WTD everyone is on about■■?
Sounds like something as complicated and as ridiculous as the infamous German maut, probably even more so! It’ll no doubt be a nice money spinner though, for all the fines they’ll be getting because drivers dont have the Cambridge education in mathmatics needed to calculate such system, or have hundreds of pounds to spend on in cab computers and software.
muckles:
Simon:
I think you’ve missed something mate. The maximum number of hours you can work in a week, averaged out over a 17 or 26 week period, is 48 hours.
I think we have been saying 60 hours because that is a nice easy number to quote, for the number of hours we are normally at work (or on duty), in a week.There is a 60 hour maximum in the WTD, but this is only working time as defined under the WTD and does does not included rest or POA. Obviously if you work 60 hours one week then you have to find 12 hours over the reference period to bring your average back to 48.
That’s what i wasnt clear on, the maximum total “WT”, not the maximum average WT. I understand about the reference periods, and the POA’s, but posters on here kept saying 60hrs max in any 1 week regardless of available WT, were i thuoght it was 60hrs max not including POA’s, and 48hrs average not including POA’s. 
Just a thought , but wasn’t the WTD and changes to the drivers hours meant to simplify everything for everyone. Also to simplify the rules for the introduction of digital tachos.
JB:
ive been checking my tachos over the last few weeks
we do an awful lot of rdc work… awful being the key word
last week i did 38.20 actual working time ie driving/opening the curtains/rear doors etc.
i BOOKED 72 on my time sheet.
the rest was spent on the bunk/reading/watching tv etc
that makes 2 of us
and most of the week was spent waitng at morrisons stockton arriving around 8:15am and not leaving before 1pm. the average wait for paperwork after tipping is 3-5hrs thats an awful lot of bunk time
robinhood_1984:
Sounds like something as complicated and as ridiculous as the infamous German maut, probably even more so! It’ll no doubt be a nice money spinner though, for all the fines they’ll be getting because drivers don’t have the Cambridge education in mathematics needed to calculate such system, or have hundreds of pounds to spend on in cab computers and software.
No need for that robinhood . Our local friendly Drivers Hour Guard designing member, Davey Driver, already has this in hand 
. You already have the computer and the new all singin all dancin Drivers Hour Guard will record all the info, which you will then be able to download onto your computer 
. All for a measly £60, less the TruckNet UK members discount . ( I may have the price wrong, so check it first )
Do I get an extra discount for the blatant plug Davey? 